PS3 Release for Dawnguard-Thread #26

Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:11 am

i m a pc user so i already have DG , but this waiting for the DLC by PS3 user is pure evil ,
To be honest i do not think this is because of technical reasons any more , they had skyrim working pretty well for all users , so why can't they do this for a relative simple DLC that mostly contain feature that should have been in the original game

I m starting to think this delay has more todo about certain companies i will not name protecting their market interest than anything else

If this is indeed a techical issue , than this is pure incompetence by bethesda , if they can do it for the original game , then why not for a relative simple DLC
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:22 pm

I think the issue it that Bethesda designs and programs their games for the 360, then ports to everything else. It's a relatively easy port for the PC due to similar programming. Sure, there are still bugs, but Bethesda knows the modding community will take care of them and actually make their game better than it was at release. PS3 gets screwed because it runs on completely different software. Beth just goes the cheap easy way, and then gets themselves in a hole. They attempt patches, but if something is broken and incompatible in the first place it cannot be fixed. They sell PS3 games as just a money grab. They don't really care about the players.

I think the reason why they seem like they are making a big deal of Skyrim is because this time there is more press. The game had a massive marketing campaign to begin with, then the failures were spread all over the place, giving Beth on hell of a black eye. Oblivion was an extrememly quiet release to the PS3, and when compared to Skyrim the Fallout games were barely advertised. They made promises that were proven to be blatant lies with Skyrim.

Like I've said before, if they follow their own pattern, Skyrim will be forgotten when the next Fallout game is mentioned the first time although this time is different due to the exposure they have received. If they leave Skyrim a broken mess and ignore it as usual, the press and gamesites will have an absolute bonfire with Bethesda's treatment of the PS3 community. I really don't see how they are going to pull themselves out of this one short of a total reprogramming followed by a recall and free replacements.

Either way, this will not end well for Bethesda. The next Fallout could be programmed specifically for the PS3. They could launch a massive ad campaign complete with video evidence telling people this and I don't think anyone would believe them. The damage to their reputation is just too great a mountain to climb right now. Honestly, I see Bethesda abandoning their PS3 division and going 360/PC exclusively. I would be very surprised if they are even trying to program (port) the next Fallout to PS3.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:02 am

Just out of curiosity... and as an ignoramus, I'm probably talking out my [censored] here... but is it remotely possible, given the DLC problems with Skyrim are apparently memory-usage related, that Skyrim+DLC could be made to run using the cloud-storage infrastructure in place via the PSN. I imagine, these days, remote memory via Broadband is probably sufficiently fast to provide acceptable gaming, indeed there are a variety of companies proposing consoles whose working memory would be entirely remote. Where better to keep all those notorious discarded iron swords, embalming tools, cabbages and what-not than a server?
Obviously this would mean you couldn't play any expansions without a broadband connection, but you need one to buy them anyway (possible GOTY's notwithstanding); and I guess you would need PSN+, but that would be only as extortionate as what Microsoft requires for full use of many games anyway... ideally, free PSN+ membership with DLC, or vice-versa free DLC with PSN+ would also be a nice bit of restitution for the fans.

Like I said, I'm shaky on the technical issues, but does the working memory required by the game have to be on RAM? I'm given to understand the game already shuffles data between RAM and HD to play, why not between server, RAM and HD.

Asides from the technical issues that this in almost certainty won't work in the way you describe it, it is a nice idea, but now you're requiring people to pay a monthly fee solely for being able to play DLC. I like some games with a subscription base play, but that would be just so far out there that no one would buy into it. I don't pay for PS+ because I wouldn't get my money's worth out of it for what it provides. It's a great service, but it's not for everybody. I used to have it, but I have more than enough storage for everything I have on my 320gb drive, that cloud storage makes no sense. If this were possible, what would happen to a person's version of Skyrim with the DLC when they stop paying their PS+ subscription? They probably wouldn't be able to play their game since once you stop subscribing, you lose all benefits you once had. All games you bought will no longer play even if the software is there, all free mag videos no longer play, and all DLC becomes deactivated. In a game like Skyrim, where the DLC becomes intertwined with the main game, you can't simply turn it off. It's almost like a patch. Once you download it, it's part of it. I guess you would have to uninstall the game and reinstall the vanilla version. But then all your savefiles that you used after the DLC was implemented would no longer work.

A far cheaper alternative to what have some have suggested (just buy an xbox or pc and another copy of skyrim), but to have to pay on top of what everybody else pays is ridiculous. Remember for THIS game, and you can only compare to this game because outside of it is a different situation, you don't need to pay for XBL Gold to download DLC or receive patch updates, all you need is XBL Silver which is free with an Xbox and internet connection. So asking PS3 users to do something not required by the other two platforms and PAY for it, just elevates the standard of unequal treatment and services rendered for the same amount of money paid.

Either way, this will not end well for Bethesda. The next Fallout could be programmed specifically for the PS3. They could launch a massive ad campaign complete with video evidence telling people this and I don't think anyone would believe them. The damage to their reputation is just too great a mountain to climb right now. Honestly, I see Bethesda abandoning their PS3 division and going 360/PC exclusively. I would be very surprised if they are even trying to program (port) the next Fallout to PS3.

I think they will still try because they were able to fool a lot of people this time around with Skyrim, but like you said nobody will be fooled the next time even if they are really telling the truth. Their sales will go down big time in the PS3 market, and they'll drop it on the title after the next FO title.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:36 pm

I’ve officially begun the transition from PS3 to PC. My old pseudo-desktop (laptop hooked up to a monitor) broke beyond repair, so I decided I might as well fork over the extra money to build something that can handle contemporary games. It’s going to take me a couple months to save up for it. I can portion off pieces of my paychecks until I have enough. Being a grad student leaves me perpetually broke, but I already managed to order 150$ worth of parts yesterday.

Until then, I’m holding onto my PS3 copy of Skyrim. The last patch has messed up a lot of the game for me, even if it’s not completely broken. I think it’s really, really sad that it’s been almost a year since Skyrim came out and the base game still has so many problems. I think it’s even sadder that I have to switch to a different system just to enjoy some of Bethesda’s games.

Boycotting Bethesda’s games entirely would probably hurt me more than it would hurt them. If I did, I’d be missing out on some of the awesome gaming experiences I could be having when I get my PC. As much as I hate it, I guess the old saying “if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em” is true for me. Definitely won’t be buying any of their games for the PS3 in the future though.

I played Skyward Sword on my Wii for the first time in a while yesterday. It was refreshing to not have any lag or a single crash. Granted, Nintendo is only developing for a platform that they themselves made, but they have the right idea—no DLC, no patches. Only completely finished games. Being able to fix things after a game’s release has only made developers like Bethesda lazier. Developers need to get back to the mentality of only releasing games when they can’t possibly be fixed any more that used to exist in the days before the merging of game systems and the internet.

Overall, I really hope Bethesda, as a company, moves in the direction their competition is moving. Better communication with customers. No more exclusives for any system. Better marketing strategies when it comes to DLCs so that fans can actually get hyped up about the release instead of having it magically become available out of thin air one day :/
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:44 pm

DLC works. Pete Hines says himself. But it does not work correctly for all. The question asked Pete Hines is: Is the DLC works on the PS3 version, which is mostly sold in the world?

or more simply, on what version of the PS3, the DLC does not work?

People are not idiots. If they say it works on that version and that version does not work, it is more understandable.

Pete says a lot of things. His job is also to present Bethesda in the best possible light. I wouldn't take anything he says as absolute...
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:22 am

Anyone else feel like they are sitting at the kiddies table watching the advlts eat a wonderful dinner while they are stuck with mac and cheese? :angry:
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:23 am

We can all speculate about a release date until the actual release, but the fact of the matter is Bethesda has a contract with Sony to make this content available to PS3. I have no actual evidence of this, I am only making an inference given what has gone on, and to my knowledge contracts are always present between game developers and the platform owners.

If Bethesda had a say in it I'm sure dlc support would have been dropped for the PS3 long ago when they knew the game did't even work properly. Bethesda shows little interest in appeasing fans that want the content and give very few updates. They are pissed that it doesn't work not because they keep getting bombarded with angry fan mail but because they are fed up with having to fix something they don't know how to. Bethesda probably signed a contract long ago with Sony agreeing to give them a game on the PS3. If Bethesda were to just drop the dlc support and the general fixing of the performance of Skyrim itself they would be committing a breach of contract; allowing Sony to take legal action against them and condemn any future business with Sony. Bethesda cant afford for this not to work not only will they loose customers of their own future products but Sony will sue Bethesda out that rear because of the contractual requirements they have not fulfilled.

At this point, with so few updates and lack of apology, or any attempt to make this right; I don't believe it is my job to find supporting documents, or statements for my assumption. I do believe it is Bethesda's job to shoot down such accusations or admit this is the only reason that they have continued to work on Skyrim for PS3.


The above is a post(by me) from the last thread but I felt it aught to be restated. I might as well be doing this :banghead: because they put this thread here to keep us, the people who would get everyone else riled up(perhaps even showing them the light), separate from other discussions.

It's pathetic that Bethesda has not found a solution yet. It's just sad that Bethesda has not given up or at least admitted by now how few sh@s they give about the broken PS3 version of Skyrim. It's just plain sad that I, as a 19 year old with much better things to do, feel it is necessary to berate a multi million dollar company. It is incredibly sad that Bethesda obviously .. does .. not .. care! :verymad:

I would bet millions that Bethesda would be putting this issue center stage on all of their news mediums had it been the 360 version having all of these problems. I just can't help but feel neglected when Bethesda marches on with new DLC's for the other platforms and the next title rather than addressing this very big issue. I don't want to hear anything Bethesda has to say anymore because they blew it a long time ago.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:50 pm

I would bet millions that Bethesda would be putting this issue center stage on all of their news mediums had it been the 360 version having all of these problems.

Gah. If this had happened it would of been fixed in a matter of days, not months and months. And Beth hasnt showed us anything to the contrary. PS3 just doesnt matter.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:31 pm

Pete says a lot of things. His job is also to present Bethesda in the best possible light. I wouldn't take anything he says as absolute...

Well, that would be a great point.

If he ever once said Bethesda is failing he would be fired on the spot lol
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:39 am

HAPPY THREAD 26 MY FELLOW PS3 SKYRIM FANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mean while were 21 day's until AC3. Looking forward to getting Borderlands when I scrap some more cash up. Then It's a wait until Nov. 6th for H4 (the only franchise worth owning an xbox for. My openion of course calm down ppl....), I haven't been following Black Ops 2 much, though I intend to get it. So you know what Bethy take your time. I have more important things to look forward to, and companies that care about their PS3 fan base to throw money at.

Can't wait until I walk through walmart or gamestop and somebody to ask If I want dishonard. I'll just laugh and walk off muttering: when the company cares about use.

By the way all Gamestop employe's I talk to have told me Bill Gates is the reason why It's taking so long. I belive them so it might not be all Bethy's fault.....
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:03 am

Just 12 more threads to go....
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:25 am

Just 12 more threads to go....

You bet 38 huh :lol:
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:38 am



Gah. If this had happened it would of been fixed in a matter of days, not months and months. And Beth hasnt showed us anything to the contrary. PS3 just doesnt matter.
Exactly.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:44 am

[Redacted due to unintentionally stealing a joke from dmel25]
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:05 am

So... It's October 9th... Over 3 months since Dawnguard was released for the Xbox360, and there's still no sign of us ever getting it.

I guess you could say Bethesda's been.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMPAH67f4o.

:cool:
I used this joke in the last thread....
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:13 am

I used this joke in the last thread....

Damn... Sorry about that. Accidental plagiarism removed.

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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:05 am

atleast Bethesda acknowledged Skyrim exists for PS3. That "Friday Fun" picture on their blog with that Playstation magazine with Skyrim on the cover. Or maybe that was photoshopped.

If it ever comes out it will probably be around the time of thread 53. I'm guessing it will have some major bugs, so I think they will fix those around thread 15 of the "Dawnguard for PS3 Bugs" thread.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:53 am

Damn... Sorry about that. Accidental plagiarism removed.

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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:49 pm

Indeed, only your mind is greater I have to admit.

What I like about these forums, it's much easier to get nice people to participate in a conversation than it is on youtube lol

You get unpleasant people here as well, but it's not nearly as common as on youtube.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:18 am

If they won't release DG for PS3 they should release a DLC that would give all they features of DG like the dragon weapons werewolf skill ect. ect
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:51 am

If they won't release DG for PS3 they should release a DLC that would give all they features of DG like the dragon weapons werewolf skill ect. ect

Pete Hines has already stated that won't happen. If Bethesda can't relase the whole DLC, they won't release it at all. Even though the Dragonbone weapons SHOULD have been in the game on day one.

The only thing you can expect if DLC isn't released, is Bethesda dropping ALL support for the PS3 on Skyrim. They're not going to fix something that isn't going to bring in money.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:27 pm

I get kinda sad when I pass by the lovely city of Bethesda on my way to work, because it makes me think of Bethesda and their inability to get dlc for the PS3 out on any date near to that of the Xbox or PC, then I feel kinda bad that I wish that one group that's always protesting abortion clinics in Bethesda would go over to Bethesda Softworks and protesting them having crappy dealings with the PS3 :( Then I feel like a bad person then I realize...wtf it's been over a year...seriously stop giving the city of Bethesda a bad name and do your job.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:14 pm

Pete Hines has already stated that won't happen. If Bethesda can't relase the whole DLC, they won't release it at all. Even though the Dragonbone weapons SHOULD have been in the game on day one.

The only thing you can expect if DLC isn't released, is Bethesda dropping ALL support for the PS3 on Skyrim. They're not going to fix something that isn't going to bring in money.

i cant understand why they would not give us ps3 users some of dawnguards features if they cant get the dlc to work, it seems so damn stupid :swear:
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:13 am

Hopefully its on thread 28 they announce whatever, thats what I bet :P
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:43 am

i cant understand why they would not give us ps3 users some of dawnguards features if they cant get the dlc to work, it seems so damn stupid :swear:
I think each patch costs the company 40000$ to put out, and if they cant get more money from ps3 they wont even bother.
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