[Emma-Jane Merrin]

Stormwatcher you need to calm down. I don't want to have to mop up the inconsolable mess that will be your body if this turns out to be false.

a little optimism on here wouldn't hurt.

[vicki kitterman]

a little optimism on here wouldn't hurt.

Temper your Optimism with some caution.

[Loane]

Alrighty then.

Well some people would buy a game for the DLC because they want the full game and because say like Ubi made Altiar's memorys into DLC to buy off PSN and not in the full game of Revalations I for one would buy the game for the DLC alone cause I loved that character. I can even say some people would buy Oblvion for it's SI DLC because that's a game on it's own but I need Oblivion to play it. Sorry Hines but that's your opinon not fact.

If we consider mounted combat a DLC then Beth will be in trouble with MS because PC got it before everyone unless of course it's has to be bought DLC from Stream, PSN and Xbox Live.

The big problem Bethesda is facing is that the product is "defective" - meaning, it does not perform as described. That's what the big deal is surrounding the "DLC option" in the main menu - that's the real issue here. If they cannot get that working, they are facing serious consequences from any number of parties. (As an aside, and in all honesty, I would not be shocked if this code was added to the beta simply to once again stall/distract from this issue)

By setting forth that "patches count as add on content" and "no one buys games for DLC", Pete/Bethesda are trying to carve a future defense strategy in the hopes of mitigating the consequences they will face if this ends poorly.

As some have pointed out - correctly - they could add a single weapon pack as DLC, allow it to be accessed through the DLC menu option, and be off the legal hook (apart from a far more difficult case of comparative industry standards or false advertising) - but to be frank, a move like this would also be accompanied by word of Bethesda's exit strategy from the Sony/PS3 market - either voluntarily, or at Sony's request.

[Lovingly]

The big problem Bethesda is facing is that the product is "defective" - meaning, it does not perform as described. That's what the big deal is surrounding the "DLC option" in the main menu - that's the real issue here. If they cannot get that working, they are facing serious consequences from any number of parties. (As an aside, and in all honesty, I would not be shocked if this code was added to the beta simply to once again stall/distract from this issue)

By setting forth that "patches count as add on content" and "no one buys games for DLC", Pete/Bethesda are trying to carve a future defense strategy in the hopes of mitigating the consequences they will face if this ends poorly.

As some have pointed out - correctly - they could add a single weapon pack as DLC, allow it to be accessed through the DLC menu option, and be off the legal hook (apart from a far more difficult case of comparative industry standards or false advertising) - but to be frank, a move like this would also be accompanied by word of Bethesda's exit strategy from the Sony/PS3 market - either voluntarily, or at Sony's request.

They should be trying to fix the problem they have and stop trying make a defense strayegy. Well...ethier way if the DLC doesn't come Bethesda still get a hugh back lash from the main stream media meaning future sells will be affected in thier games.

[Marlo Stanfield]

By setting forth that "patches count as add on content" and "no one buys games for DLC", Pete/Bethesda are trying to carve a future defense strategy in the hopes of mitigating the consequences they will face if this ends poorly.

As some have pointed out - correctly - they could add a single weapon pack as DLC, allow it to be accessed through the DLC menu option, and be off the legal hook (apart from a far more difficult case of comparative industry standards or false advertising) - but to be frank, a move like this would also be accompanied by word of Bethesda's exit strategy from the Sony/PS3 market - either voluntarily, or at Sony's request.

Agreed. They've been setting up the 'mounted combat' defense strategy to deter consumers from filing lawsuits against them. It doesn't actually seal the fate of the situation. They could still be held liable by a court--they just don't want consumers to think that's the case.

I'm curious how Dishonored has been doing in sales for the PS3. If the sales are lacking, it might prevent other companies with cross-platform games from publishing under Bethesda's name. That, ultimately, will do more damage than the actual declines in PS3 sales.

[Mistress trades Melissa]

Agreed. They've been setting up the 'mounted combat' defense strategy to deter consumers from filing lawsuits against them. It doesn't actually seal the fate of the situation. They could still be held liable by a court--they just don't want consumers to think that's the case.

I'm curious how Dishonored has been doing in sales for the PS3. If the sales are lacking, it might prevent other companies with cross-platform games from publishing under Bethesda's name. That, ultimately, will do more damage than the actual declines in PS3 sales.

Don't know much about the sales on the PS3 but I did hear that Dishonored runs on the PS3 better than the 360 and the PC had problems.

[Raymond J. Ramirez]

As a side note, does anyone else really, really want to have Pete Hines and/or Bethesda's dev team do a 24 hour pure vanilla (no patches at all) PS3 Skyrim marathon live? Starting at, say, level 25. I want to see the expressions on their faces every time they encounter lag or have to manually restart the system. Then maybe they'll really understand the problems PS3 users have had to face and realize they put out an unacceptable game from they get-go.

[Neko Jenny]

WAS JUST ON TWITTER...AND SAW THIS ARTICLE. CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF THIS WEBSITE IS RELIABLE?? THE LINK IS BELOW...AND I HAVE THE ARTICLE BELOW AS WELL..

http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/10/17/skyrim-dlc-3-debuting-with-ps3-dawnguard-hearthfire/


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Skyrim DLC 3 debuting with PS3 Dawnguard, Hearthfire?

By http://www.product-reviews.net/author/alan-ng/ on October 17, 2012

We finally have some positive news for those of you with the PS3 version of Skyrim, who are patiently awaiting any news regarding the http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/10/01/skyrim-dawnguard-dlc-on-ps3-remains-dateless/ and http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/10/05/skyrim-hearthfire-dlc-release-on-pc-kills-ps3-hope/ release dates. A third expansion by the name of Dragonborn has been unearthed, along with the evidence that Bethesda may have finally solved their internal DLC woes on the system.
For those that are not aware yet, we can tell you that Dragonborn is definitely going to be the title of the next DLC expansion for Skyrim. The name had already shown up in file trademarks like Hearthfire and Dawnguard before it, and now further evidence has been spotted in the latest system update for PC owners.
The most interesting aspect of the discovery though, is that there is a http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417057-time-for-some-spoilers-form-the-latest-beta/ in the Skyrim 1.8 update beta that reads ‘$DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT_PS3 DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT’. Has Bethesda finally managed to fix all of the apparent ‘hardware’ problems that they were having on the PS3 in getting Dawnguard on to the system, which then caused a further delay on Hearthfire?

For those wondering, it is not uncommon for other platform related files to be found on internal PC code for the game. It could be interesting though to note that there doesn’t appear to be any specific code on the XBOX 360 in relation to Dragonborn, leading to some farfetched speculation that Dragonborn could end up as exclusive DLC to the PS3 version of the game as a way of apology for the Dawnguard crisis.
That’s not going to happen in our books though, as you can bet that Xbox 360 and PC users will want a dragon-mounting DLC expansion pack of their own to play. Aside from being able to mount new dragons in the content, we’re also hearing that Dragonborn will give players the option of revisiting areas from Morrowind and craft new armor such as Bonemold and Nordic wares.
Bethesda hasn’t made anything official, but don’t forget this is exactly the same pattern in which Hearthfire was uncovered. Bethesda has obviously put that line of PS3 code in there for a reason though – what could it be, or even better – what do you want it to mean?
After all of the well documented struggles, do you think that Bethesda has finally found a way to get Dawnguard running on the PS3? We’ll keep you updated with further information on Dragonborn as we get it.



SO...WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK???? I WOULD LOVE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK.

Even if you get DLC now, it may not be dawnguard. Perhaps they got hearthfire working and are willing to release that but not dawnguard. Perhaps they are setting up for the 3rd DLC thinking they have a better chance of making that work on PS3 than dawnguard.

[Katy Hogben]

Even if you get DLC now, it may not be dawnguard. Perhaps they got hearthfire working and are willing to release that but not dawnguard. Perhaps they are setting up for the 3rd DLC thinking they have a better chance of making that work on PS3 than dawnguard.

Most unlikey that the 3rd will have a better chance of wroking on the PS3 because from the info we have on it, it is much more bigger than DG. HF yes I can us atleast getting that one.

[Enny Labinjo]

Most unlikey that the 3rd will have a better chance of wroking on the PS3 because from the info we have on it, it is much more bigger than DG. HF yes I can us atleast getting that one.

Yeah lol I don't think it'd be the third either unless there was something specific with dawnguard that caused issue, or if from the start they were having the coding a bit different for the third game with help from Sony.

I'd assume it'd be hearthfire being released as it's the smallest of them.

[Joanne Crump]

Wow, this thread is still going? 28# and still growing strong? I shouldn't be surprise. I however have been assuming the worse since around July 26 when they said that Dawnguard for the PS3 was going to be delayed but was definitely going to be released. 3 months later and still not so sure of release? It is annoying and little bit laughable at the same time. I have learn to be very pessimistic with Bethesda in case the unfortunate is official. I would not be so enraged about it because I have been prepared for it for so long.

[Patrick Gordon]

Yeah lol I don't think it'd be the third either unless there was something specific with dawnguard that caused issue, or if from the start they were having the coding a bit different for the third game with help from Sony.

I'd assume it'd be hearthfire being released as it's the smallest of them.

I guess we will find something out in the futrue.

[Bambi]

Well its satisfying to know that Bethesda is working hard to make Dawnguard perform in a acceptable way.

[Eve(G)]

Well its satisfying to know that Bethesda is working hard to make Dawnguard perform in a acceptable way.

I'm sure that they're working and not sitting there doing nothing, I've always thought that they were.

I just wasn't even too sure, and still am not too sure, on how competent they are with it.
And even if the coding is too hard, that would still make them incompetent for the task.

[Zoe Ratcliffe]

I'm sure that they're working and not sitting there doing nothing, I've always thought that they were.

I just wasn't even too sure, and still am not too sure, on how competent they are with it.
And even if the coding is too hard, that would still make them incompetent for the task.

I say it's one Bethesda worker with four of Sonys trying to fix the problem.

[Bryanna Vacchiano]

Just imagine how excitied everyone is gonna be IF and WHEN they announce that Dawnguard, Hearthfire, and Dragonborn will ALL be available for download on the Playstation Network! Gives me goosebumps just thinking about it.

[Sebrina Johnstone]

Well its satisfying to know that Bethesda is working hard to make Dawnguard perform in a acceptable way.

Why would they want to even aim for acceptable? Acceptable isn't exactly the level you want to be on. Sounds like acceptable equals minimum in my eyes.

[Silvia Gil]

Why would they want to even aim for acceptable? Acceptable isn't exactly the level you want to be on. Sounds like acceptable equals minimum in my eyes.

What I want to know is how bad was DG on the PS3 for Bethesda to even say "ok now that's bad."

[Prisca Lacour]

Just imagine how excitied everyone is gonna be IF and WHEN they announce that Dawnguard, Hearthfire, and Dragonborn will ALL be available for download on the Playstation Network! Gives me goosebumps just thinking about it.

Who wants to play "Who wants to be the guinea pig?" I for one will not be getting it until I see how it performs. I will not make the same mistake again.

[Danger Mouse]

What I want to know is how bad was DG on the PS3 for Bethesda to even say "ok now that's bad."

It turns your Playstation 3 into a transformer and it will try to kill you.

[Marie Maillos]

It turns your Playstation 3 into a transformer and it will try to kill you.

lol
I want it. I'll need a BIG net but I want it.

[GLOW...]

NEW TWEET FROM BETHESDA DEVS


Still working on free updates, paid content, and more for all our Skyrim fans. Thanks for supporting us and all your patience!

just saw that. my favorite word in that tweet is "all"

[Lil'.KiiDD]

Just imagine how excitied everyone is gonna be IF and WHEN they announce that Dawnguard, Hearthfire, and Dragonborn will ALL be available for download on the Playstation Network! Gives me goosebumps just thinking about it.

I think you have gone insane if you really think that. If they cant get dawn guard working then how will they get 3 dlcs to magically work. Also Bethesda I think you guys should become politians because just like politians you make so many promises and YOU ALWAYS BREAK THEM. Finally I have sold all my bethesda games (did that a week ago actually) and I will never buy a bethesda game ever again if you make profit off it (I mean buying it used).

[Timara White]

I think you have gone insane if you really think that. If they cant get dawn guard working then how will they get 3 dlcs to magically work.

Well Hearthfire really shouldn't be that hard to implement, it doesn't add much. This Dragonborn DLC assuming the info we have is correct would be a new world, meaning it would be loaded separately from Skyrim which should make it easier to add because it's not adding more for the PS3 to handle while handling everything else Skyrim is running.

I believe Dawnguard is the biggest issue for them.

[Jaki Birch]

The big problem Bethesda is facing is that the product is "defective" - meaning, it does not perform as described. That's what the big deal is surrounding the "DLC option" in the main menu - that's the real issue here. If they cannot get that working, they are facing serious consequences from any number of parties. (As an aside, and in all honesty, I would not be shocked if this code was added to the beta simply to once again stall/distract from this issue)

By setting forth that "patches count as add on content" and "no one buys games for DLC", Pete/Bethesda are trying to carve a future defense strategy in the hopes of mitigating the consequences they will face if this ends poorly.

As some have pointed out - correctly - they could add a single weapon pack as DLC, allow it to be accessed through the DLC menu option, and be off the legal hook (apart from a far more difficult case of comparative industry standards or false advertising) - but to be frank, a move like this would also be accompanied by word of Bethesda's exit strategy from the Sony/PS3 market - either voluntarily, or at Sony's request.

This X 1000. You hit the nail right on the head with this post, dear sir. I think this is EXACTLY what is transpiring.

Look, Bethesda is not made up of morons, and I am sure they have legions of legal representatives preparing an adequate defense from this very strategy to alleviate the s*&tstorm that will certainly be unleashed when they publicly announce that they will no longer be supporting the PS3 with future DLC for Skyrim. I would love to eat crow on this, but right now I have to be practical: the subtle hints in code, the tweets from Hines regarding patches being legitimate DLC, and the public announcements admitting they are diligently working to correct the issue are all elements of an elaborate "smoke and mirror" legal campaign to foster a "hey, we tried, but could not make it happen" declaration that would safely exonerate them from any and all lawsuits that would (and should) establish their culpability.

I am not a lawyer, nor am I involved with business that deals with service; however, if I were, I would make damn sure that, no matter what I did, I would always cover my ass--legally speaking, of course--to convince a jury of my peers that I did everything in my power to follow through on advertised promises. It is just common sense.

None of this means that Dawnguard, Hearthfire, or Dragonborn (if this is the title of the next DLC) is not coming to the PS3; it still might. Nonetheless, before any of you wet your pants with excitement over this new bit of "good" news, understand--and be willing to accept--that it could be all part of an elaborate legal strategy to allow the suits at Bethesda a simple opportunity to slide their greasy behinds out of an extremely tight situation. In other words, it is the lube for the cornhole, and we all had better prepare for the eventual reaming.