[Kanaoka]

need to know what you want.

If Bethesda said something, they liar.

If Bethesda did not say anything, they beg to express themselves.

No, when Bethesda LIES they are liars. Which they've done a lot of, so it's true. All we want is the truth, what's actually happening with DLC.

[rebecca moody]

Although this is completely ridiculous, people need to stop saying Beth has cheated them out of DLC. They never made a promise to give the DLC to PS3, so they haven't screwed you out of anything.

But don't get me wrong, this is the height of incompetence and I think there should at least be a 50% discount if the DLC actually comes to this platform. Not because they are obliged to; expecting a discount for something you were never promised is dumb. But out of the goodness of their hearts.

Nothing on the packaging suggests that PS3 would be excluded from adittional content or DLC which is at very least , misleading.
That aside, the patches that have been released have alternately improved things for a time or broken the game further with virus 1,07 leaving us with more issues, probably due to code for DLC's being present further messing things up.

DLC may never appear but the least they could do is patch the game effectively for once and make it fully playable for the majority.

Which by the time they do anything, if ever a majority will probably be about 23 PS3 users.

[Umpyre Records]

No, when Bethesda LIES they are liars. Which they've done a lot of, so it's true. All we want is the truth, what's actually happening with DLC.

If I recall correctly, 1.8 readies PS3 for DLC.

[Alyna]

Posted this in another thread in reference to why the updates, or lack thereof, are so stupid:


The only reason why they give us "updates" at all is because the media (Playstation magazine, game sites, and blogs) are watching. Every single game they have released for the PS3 since Fallout 3 has been broken and any DLC they released for those games just made them worse to the point of unplayable. If their history is to be taken into account, one can see they really don't care about quality, bugs, glitches, or freezes. Right now I think they are scrambling. If it weren't for the spotlight on them, they would have released Dawnguard, Hearthfire, and would be soon on the way to releasing the third DLC for the PS3 not caring about the technical issues. They are scrambling because they know if they release the DLC in the same state they have released everything else they will get flamed into the stone age. It's all about damage control right now. They are working on how to tell everyone they are incompetent when it comes to the PS3, yet avoid lawsuits. They need to back peddle and spin what Pete Hines said before the release of Skyrim (new engine, special attention, level of parity, blah blah) into something they won't be buried by. Oh, yeah, and avoid lawsuits based on blatant fraudulent advertising and lies.


Did I mention avoid lawsuits? Oh, yeah, I did. Any lawyer worth their salt would have Bethesda dead bang guilty if the company came out and said they give up or they are not working on fixes. As time goes on, we will see more fluff pieces on Bethesda's blog, more about other games, and eventually nothing but posts about the release of the next Fallout title. I think right now they are beginning the "white wash" process in hopes that people forget about the whole Skyrim thing and line up to buy the next game. Oh, yeah, and forget so they don't bring the hammer down with lawsuits. Lawsuits that would be easily winnable in any court in the US. Class action no less. Those are expensive for a company to go through from what I've been told. Some companies have even gone out of business because of them. If Bethesda does not fix this or make serious reparations, I think my little bit of a vengeful side will enjoy watching them twist in the wind. Either way, I think PS3 users will get at least a little vindication.

[Adam]

If I recall correctly, 1.8 readies PS3 for DLC.

Just a rumor as of now. There's a coding there for a menu apparently, but, there's been no mention of a DLC release. It could be this is in preparation for whenever DLC comes out, it could be this is for hearthfire and not dawnguard or "dragonborn".

[Andrew Perry]

If I recall correctly, 1.8 readies PS3 for DLC.

That's what people said about the 1.07 patch as well.

Just a rumor as of now. There's a coding there for a menu apparently, but, there's been no mention of a DLC release. It could be this is in preparation for whenever DLC comes out, it could be this is for hearthfire and not dawnguard or "dragonborn".

I've been more angry with the defense i've seen some give Bethesda(even when Bethesda has rightfully claimed all responsibility) than with the company itself for a while now. But i would actually be very angry with them if it comes down to a choice of which DLC comes to PS3 and Hearthfire is picked.

[Tyrel]

So we get an update from gstaff saying no update thats ridiculous
I dont really believe the info about the dragonborn dlc , not until its officially announced by bethesda, even if its released it'll probably be buggy and glitchy like dawnguard has been for xbox.

[Hearts]

Bethesda just needs to make an official announcement telling everyone about the situation with dlc for ps3, alot of ppl won't even use or read these forums, the lack of information is not good enough after all this time.

[Eibe Novy]

That's what people said about the 1.07 patch as well.



I've been more angry with the defense i've seen some give Bethesda(even when Bethesda has rightfully claimed all responsibility) than with the company itself for a while now. But i would actually be very angry with them if it comes down to a choice of which DLC comes to PS3 and Hearthfire is picked.

haha well HF is a smaller DLC, it's not so unlikely for it to happen xD

[Kat Stewart]

Bethesda just needs to make an official announcement telling everyone about the situation with dlc for ps3, alot of ppl won't even use or read these forums, the lack of information is not good enough after all this time.

I agree, been saying that from the start of all of this. It is 2012, not the nineties. You can't just blackout info to your customers in this day and age and just expect them to all be ok with that.

haha well HF is a smaller DLC, it's not so unlikely for it to happen xD

Smaller true, but remember its most likely equal to Dawnguard in how much strain it brings to Skyrim's game engine.

Up to 3 new fixed locus introduced. All with multiple NPC interactions to track, massive inventories to add, and random events to generate.

My thing is, if it ever came down to PS3 only getting 1(if we ever even get any...) DLC, make it the one with the most bang for the buck in terms of content. If i want to experience a house i 'build' in Tamriel, i'll just load Morrowind up and join House Telvanni and grow myself a rockin' 'shroom house. Dawnguard or w/e they plan to name the next DLC should be the only ones to choose from imo-if a choice ever had to be made that is.

[Mandy Muir]

They've also never given discounts on DLC. It's all full price still. They NEED to support the PS3 as equally as the 360. The PC users can get bugs fixed better and faster than Bethesda. The PS3 has always been the last to get DLC, and had patches delayed by Bethesda. Bethesda teased bigger and better DLC before the game was released, and PROMISED us that the PS3 would have equal support instead of being put on the back burner. PS3 users have obviously recieved far less than the equal support that was promised.

Preach on bro. The fact that they are even working on ps3 dlc is a promise in itself. Anybody who says that we don't deserve dlc or that it was not promised to ps3 fans, either owns a 360 or PC, or owns a ps3 and is a masochist. Probably did not own any previous Beth games on ps3.

[Trevi]

Bethesda is the worst I've seen when it comes to treating their supporters with respect and communicating with them honestly.

[JaNnatul Naimah]

Preach on bro. The fact that they are even working on ps3 dlc is a promise in itself. Anybody who says that we don't deserve dlc or that it was not promised to ps3 fans, either owns a 360 or PC, or owns a ps3 and is a masochist. Probably did not own any previous Beth games on ps3.

You seem to have a firm grasp of the obvious. I hope you get that reference.

But seriously, what other people are there?

[Melanie Steinberg]

You seem to have a firm grasp of the obvious. I hope you get that reference.

But seriously, what other people are there?

Well there was more too the ps3 owner part, "and is a masochist". Also I wish everyone had a "firm grasp of the obvious" concerning ps3 dlc.

[Anthony Diaz]

Well there was more too the ps3 owner part, "and is a masochist". Also I wish everyone had a "firm grasp of the obvious" concerning ps3 dlc.

I know, but I doubt there are PS3 players that are that would make no sense. I know what you mean though people need a firm grasp of the obvious.

Oh and the reference was from Sherlock Holmes.

[Alisha Clarke]

I know, but I doubt there are PS3 players that are that would make no sense. I know what you mean though people need a firm grasp of the obvious.

Oh and the reference was from Sherlock Holmes.

But maschism doesn't really make sense to begin with xD

[ashleigh bryden]

so when does dg come out for ps3?

[Agnieszka Bak]

so when does dg come out for ps3?

After a few years maybe )

[The Time Car]

Although this is completely ridiculous, people need to stop saying Beth has cheated them out of DLC. They never made a promise to give the DLC to PS3, so they haven't screwed you out of anything.

I think u need to check ur facts. On the back of my box it says " add on content".
That clearly states there will be add on content available. Pete Hines also said that ps3 will be getting the same quality as Xbox, along with quick updates, bug and glitch fixes etc.

[Alisia Lisha]

along with quick updates, bug and glitch fixes etc.

Well that trun out to be a lie didn't patch 1.6 get delayed for two months.

[FLYBOYLEAK]

Well that trun out to be a lie didn't patch 1.6 get delayed for two months.

Indeed

And then made some people's(myself included) games unstable

[Laura Hicks]

I wonder if any of this is making Sony rethink its systems for the next gen? As badly as this reflects on Bethesda, this has to be making people rethink their choice of system as well. A PS3 native game ported to XBox plays fine, while an XBox native ported to PS3 plays poorly. Next gen, will we see shift from Sony to Microsoft over the issue? This is something that hasn't been seen as a consumer issue, but more of a gripe by developers: is that starting to change?

[Bereket Fekadu]

I wonder if any of this is making Sony rethink its systems for the next gen? As badly as this reflects on Bethesda, this has to be making people rethink their choice of system as well. A PS3 native game ported to XBox plays fine, while an XBox native ported to PS3 plays poorly. Next gen, will we see shift from Sony to Microsoft over the issue? This is something that hasn't been seen as a consumer issue, but more of a gripe by developers: is that starting to change?

I've said it before that after 6 yrs no game developer should be taken seriously if they use the "PS3 hard!" defense for why one of their endeavors on the system fails. Its a cop-out excuse that only flies if you are a newest of the new fledgling game developer and you are on your first effort coding for PS3-and that does not apply to Bethesda.

Now you do bring up a good issue though. And Sony announced a little ways back that the PS4 will be more open in terms of coding for it. Streaming of mass amounts of data is planned to be a key feature and they don't want heavy company specific code getting in the way of developers's efforts.

This site is where i saw that http://sonyps4.com/the-new-technology-of-the-ps4/. I find it a bit annoying though, easy to get lost imo. Look about and you will be about to find a link somewhere on that site with more/better info.

[Monika Fiolek]

I don't understand why Bethesda are treating their PS3 customers like this. It's been 2 months since the last official statement!

All we want to know is the situation on the DLC, be it good or bad news, we just want to know!

Keeping us in the dark about it is completely out of order, I'm beginning to run out of patience to be honest.

[Avril Churchill]

It would be a miracle if any DLC that shows up dosen't break the game. It's happened with almost every other release from Bethesda.

There is no chance of a lawsuit against Bethesda. Mounted combat and extra kill-cams were released, and are now being used as a back-up plan if any real DLC can't be released.

And Bethesda dosen't really care about losing anyone from the PS3 base. Otherwise they would have fixed all their PS3 releases, and not left them broken to move on to releasing another broken game. Bethesda will always trick new people into buying their games, so they don't really need to worry about taking a hit in profits.

Geeky, I have observed most of your posts and agree with 99% of what you have said. I think your anolysis and comments have been spot on. However, I disagree with your comments on "no lawsuit." That's just not accurate. The "back up plan" you have mentioned is not a back up plan at all when a company knowingly releases a product with defects, but purports that it will operate as is represented, either on a single platform or in comparison with other platforms. Bethesda has "unclean hands" on many fronts from a legal perspective even without regard to the DLC issue. In the legal sense, there is a very strong issue of fact concerning whether or not they have committed fraud and misrepresentation in releaseing the product on PS3 in the first place, with the known bugs, glitches, and programming failures. No subsequest patch has completely restored the game to a normal level, and future patches have tended to make the game worse for many users. When you add in the DLC issue, we jump even further into the arena of the Uniform Commercial Code and express and implied warranties, as well. Bethesda has run afoul of many express and implied warranties, including "merchantability" and "fitness for a particular purpose," among others. The iniitial release information on the game and the subsequent information on the DLC's have all expressly and/or impliedly promised the a basic standard of quality, and promised that standard across ALL platforms.There is a very significant legal wrong being visited on the PS3 users now and continuing, and the viability of a legal case is very real and very significant. Do we have an update YET???