[Jason White]

Anyone else planning on switching over to the dark side and getting the rim on xbox?

I've decided to do this. Shameless, I know, but I have no faith that DLC will ever come out on PS3, and I really wanna play it...

Only filthy peasants decide to get rimjob on the Xbawks. The PC gaming master race prevails!

[Lady Shocka]

Dude my idea can still work as long as we keep the letter in this thread.

Come on people quote my complaint and add your complaint to start a chain, we'll mail the collection of all our discontent to Bethesda at least then our complaints will go somewhere with a chance of somone looking at them.

I already mailed my own personal letter, but we need somthing to show the community agrees strongly enough to help make the letter.

I love your enthusiasm, but ultimately I just don't think they care enough to do anything about this...

[Misty lt]

No. If we go into bug, glitch, or update threads we usually get chewed out by the other user

I saw nuts to those guys. In a general forum, as long as you encompass everything, we can talk the ps3 there as well. If they don't want read about it, then they should support our cause.

[Betsy Humpledink]

Anyone else planning on switching over to the dark side and getting the rim on xbox?

I've decided to do this. Shameless, I know, but I have no faith that DLC will ever come out on PS3, and I really wanna play it...

It is not shameless in the least. You are a consumer like everybody else and you can make that choice. I won't because I made it already twice in the past and both times they broke.

Skyrim is great but it is not worth buying a new console for.

[Anna Kyselova]

It is not shameless in the least. You are a consumer like everybody else and you can make that choice. I won't because I made it already twice in the past and both times they broke.

Skyrim is great but it is not worth buying a new console for.

I'll shamlessly take the darker route...and go PC....muhahahaha MUHAHAHAHA * coughs*

[Claire Mclaughlin]

Anyone else planning on switching over to the dark side and getting the rim on xbox?

I've decided to do this. Shameless, I know, but I have no faith that DLC will ever come out on PS3, and I really wanna play it...

IMO not shameless at all. Do what you gotta do buddy.

Me though, never in life. I personally know like 5 ppl off the top of my head that have 360s. And all of them or on at least system #3, one fellow who is literally on system #7. These are all long-time gamers who know how to treat a gaming console here. I refuse to get caught up in that cycle.

[jadie kell]

IMO not shameless at all. Do what you gotta do buddy.

Me though, never in life. I personally know like 5 ppl off the top of my head that have 360s. And all of them or on at least system #3, one fellow who is literally on system #7. These are all long-time gamers who know how to treat a gaming console here. I refuse to get caught up in that cycle.

wow Xbox must really svck, I've still using my orginal "Fat" PS3 that i brought back in 2007 and hasn't broken once

[xx_Jess_xx]

wow Xbox must really svck, I've still using my orginal "Fat" PS3 that i brought back in 2007 and hasn't broken once

And yet they have the DLC...

[Fluffer]

wow Xbox must really svck, I've still using my orginal "Fat" PS3 that i brought back in 2007 and hasn't broken once

Same with my PS3. Still kicking.

[Andy durkan]

Same with my PS3. Still kicking.

Ditto.

[Luna Lovegood]

DG or HG or DB should be free because none of any dlc's for the ps3 are out and besides its pretty late for a release date

[Harry Leon]

And most people who play skyrim are ps3 players

[Jeremy Kenney]

If Bethesda can not make money off of dlc, they will not release it. They're not the kind of company that cares about their fans.

[Emzy Baby!]

That is one big reason why I don't like much of Bethesda Anymore.besides Bethesda only cares for money not fairness or the way fans are treated and as I said they only care for money.

[Sakura Haruno]

wow Xbox must really svck, I've still using my orginal "Fat" PS3 that i brought back in 2007 and hasn't broken once

Oblivion and Fallout 3 w/DLC killed off my fat 60GB in the summer of 2010. Still have it in it's box.. one day I'll get around to fixing it.

[Emilie Joseph]

Its one thing to not give a definite date of release when you are not sure of when/if you will be able to release a product. Its a totally different matter to do what Bethesda has been doing since announcing Dawnguard initially back in, what was it? May?

Anyone who has had even a little bit of responsibility in the running of a business that has to actively interact with customers knows a few cardinal rules when it comes to customer service; or should anyways:

* If you can't give specific info(either from lack of it or from adverse situations that will come from it), you give the customer SOMETHING. Preferably something that doesn't insult intelligence and at the same time conveys at least the impression that you have some sort of handle on what is going on.

* Keep the avenues of communication open as much as possible and make sure it is a 2-way street. Listen to the customer and even if you can do nothing for them at the moment, make them feel you are right there with them in the situation.

and most importantly

* There is NO bad information. You don't just tell a customer good news and then clam up when there is bad. Angry or not, a customer is going to remember if you were straight with them. Even if you lose a particular sale, if you play it straight with a customer they will remember it. And that is what gets you repeat business.


Bethesda hasn't had any definite dates that they could share with us(i truly doubt that, but meh...), fine. What they should not have done is clam up and hide behind some soccer hero's personal twitter page; with him dropping tidbits every now and then that were overtly laced with snark, indifference, and ofttimes flat-out rudeness, that essentially gave zero clue as to what the heck was going on.

Seriously, how many times would it take you walking up to the counter at business, having the attendant tell you to wait there every 5 min or so while he discussed soccer with a co-worker, and have said attendant get more hostile every time he told you to wait? I don't know about you, but it would only take a few cycles of this to get my back up and ask to speak to the manager.

But wait! Wonder of wonders! The attendant is the manager and you have no other recourse other than waiting ad nausea or giving up and leaving.

TESV: Skyrim made Bethesda the better part of a billion bucks($780 million gross, however its sliced up is still a bundle); its not too much to ask that SOMEONE can bam out a couple of sentences bi-weekly that gives the costumers some sense of where a current company endeavor is and in what direction it is going. Is it?

I don't think so.

And before i end this post, no. "PS3 HARD!!!11!!" is STILL not a valid defense. Its 2012, the PS3 is at the end of its prime life cycle as a console(going on 7 years at this point); you want to be a real multi-platform developer? Then frickin' BE a real multi-platform developer. And if you can't hack it, for whatever reason, don't bother.

PS3 is still a hard platform to program with, most companies are used to dealing with systems that are vaguely based off the Windows OS, whereas PS3 isn't it's like knowing how to program Java but now being told you gotta learn and do C++ at the same time under pressure. Even so I still believe they'll be able release the DLC just not on a timely manner, and before you state well 4J Studios was able cross platform to PS3, well the thing is "communication" between 4J and Beth, and excuse myself but this may be assumption allot of companies that compete with each other for profit margin do not share how they managed to do this to their competition , what happens if they fail well they'd fall back on the company that managed to do it originally = profit margin gained. Either way this'll be a learning experience for Bethesda for future titles I would expect. I'll still buy Bethesda products for my PC,360 and my PS3,etc. because I enjoy their games, DLC is just an added bonus to the content to me.

[Thomas LEON]

And most people who play skyrim are ps3 players

Actually, we PS3 Skyrim players are about 30% of the total customer base.

PS3 is still a hard platform to program with, most companies are used to dealing with systems that are vaguely based off the Windows OS, whereas PS3 isn't it's like knowing how to program Java but now being told you gotta learn and do C++ at the same time under pressure. Even so I still believe they'll be able release the DLC just not on a timely manner, and before you state well 4J Studios was able cross platform to PS3, well the thing is "communication" between 4J and Beth, and excuse myself but this may be assumption allot of companies that compete with each other for profit margin do not share how they managed to do this to their competition , what happens if they fail well they'd fall back on the company that managed to do it originally = profit margin gained. Either way this'll be a learning experience for Bethesda for future titles I would expect. I'll still buy Bethesda products for my PC,360 and my PS3,etc. because I enjoy their games, DLC is just an added bonus to the content to me.

Great.

[Micah Judaeah]

Actually, we PS3 Skyrim players are about 30% of the total customer base.



Great.

Most of this was covered in an E3 discussion a few years back describing the difficulties of programming a game for backwards compatibility with PS3 if you notice all PS3 only titles runs smoothly where those that are multiplatform show problems, this is mainly a thing of "lets hope the 360 version will run properly with the ps3" with as little work put towards the programming for it, this is mainly due to the fact for the ps3 they'd have to build the game twice once for the 360 and other platforms and once for the ps3 so in order mostly to cut costs they tend to use the "wait and see if it works" method.

[sunny lovett]

Most of this was covered in an E3 discussion a few years back describing the difficulties of programming a game for backwards compatibility with PS3 if you notice all PS3 only titles runs smoothly where those that are multiplatform show problems, this is mainly a thing of "lets hope the 360 version will run properly with the ps3" with as little work put towards the programming for it, this is mainly due to the fact for the ps3 they'd have to build the game twice once for the 360 and other platforms and once for the ps3 so in order mostly to cut costs they tend to use the "wait and see if it works" method.

Are you saying that the Hardware of the 360 vs the PS3 are so diffrent that they would have to build a game from the ground up for the PS3 so it would work right? In other words tha PS3 and the 360 are like apples and bannas?

[Breanna Van Dijk]

PS3 is still a hard platform to program with, most companies are used to dealing with systems that are vaguely based off the Windows OS, whereas PS3 isn't it's like knowing how to program Java but now being told you gotta learn and do C++ at the same time under pressure. Even so I still believe they'll be able release the DLC just not on a timely manner, and before you state well 4J Studios was able cross platform to PS3, well the thing is "communication" between 4J and Beth, and excuse myself but this may be assumption allot of companies that compete with each other for profit margin do not share how they managed to do this to their competition , what happens if they fail well they'd fall back on the company that managed to do it originally = profit margin gained. Either way this'll be a learning experience for Bethesda for future titles I would expect. I'll still buy Bethesda products for my PC,360 and my PS3,etc. because I enjoy their games, DLC is just an added bonus to the content to me.

So far they've had 3 vanilla learning experiences, and 3 titles of DLC experience plus a 4th that they're currently working on (supposedly?).

How many learning experiences does one need to get it right, especially when those experiences are pretty massive ones?

And this goes beyond DLC. Of course, some people don't read all the info that's out there so it is understandable.

[Sami Blackburn]

Are you saying that the Hardware of the 360 vs the PS3 are so diffrent that they would have to build a game from the ground up for the PS3 so it would work right? In other words tha PS3 and the 360 are like apples and bannas?

Pretty much, it's like taking an OS intended for use with only one system type and hoping it works with a completely new system the only way to do it properly with as little errors is to create a duplicate of the program but coded specifically for the new system its intended for allot of games for the ps3 that are made for the 360 also where made for the 360 first then a basis was introduced to use a small amount of effort to run it on the ps3 in hopes that it will run smoothly, when I got skyrim back in dec last year the only problem I saw was the fact the system was keeping useless data and piling it onto the current save file ie. files becoming 82mb when they should have stayed 3652kb it's mainly excess information that has no further use and instead of removing it, the system keeps it then piles it onto current information and that process is repeated several times until you start seeing obvious erroneous problems with the program itself ie. lag,freezing 100mb save files where it takes you 5 minutes to take 1 step.

Darksun its actually 7 vanilla experiences, if you count Morrowind,Tribunal and Bloodmoon for the xbox they had similar issues back then such as the "clean dirty disc" errors,etc.

[Danii Brown]

IMO not shameless at all. Do what you gotta do buddy.

Me though, never in life. I personally know like 5 ppl off the top of my head that have 360s. And all of them or on at least system #3, one fellow who is literally on system #7. These are all long-time gamers who know how to treat a gaming console here. I refuse to get caught up in that cycle.

On my second 360 nearly 3 years old and kicking like a beauty with no signs of any problems. Still in my mind 360 and PS3 are garbage in terms of durability and need to much babying to keep them working properly.

[Claire Lynham]

a surprise release of DG + HF would just be the next lie in a chain of lies, because hines said he would share new info immediatly.
still possible they will do it, but for me it would be the newest proof for bethesda more caring for profit than their customers.

I agree. They said no si[roses, immediate release of info once it's been given. And if they go back on that, it's just another shot at their respect to me. It show's they can't keep their own word. I don't care if it's a nice surprise, you promised information and then withheld it purpose after saying you wouldn't do such.

Believe me PS3 players, you want Dawnguard for free...if you want it at all. This PC player is telling you that it is as bugged as a dog with fleas, including one gamebreaker that is on the long list of things that Bethesda are going to fix...or not. The latest 1.8 update has broken some pretty big things too. But yeah, the PS3 players have not been well treated, and that's shockingly bad.

I had quite a few bugs on PC, and almost had a few gamebreakers until you can find mods or console commands to work around them. But not even console commands can save you from everything in dawnguard sadly.

IMO not shameless at all. Do what you gotta do buddy.

Me though, never in life. I personally know like 5 ppl off the top of my head that have 360s. And all of them or on at least system #3, one fellow who is literally on system #7. These are all long-time gamers who know how to treat a gaming console here. I refuse to get caught up in that cycle.

I got the RRoD like a year after everyone else did, my 360 was out of warranty and all this other inconvenient crap. My 360 has just been sitting their ever since. Died in the middle of playing brotherhood and RDR

PS3 I had a problem with something with the blueray disc drive, replaced it and everything worked perfectly fine. Still got the fat PS3, game for the most part run fine on it. They ran fine on 360 too, but it just seems to inconvenient to fix. But PS3 has been working perfectly until skyrim crashed it 5000 times and lagged it, so I sold it for 25 bucks along with a few other games, paid off AC3 preorder in full, now I have that to pass the time.

Honestly the PS3 feels a bit more reliable to me. Even when part of it stopped working, I could still use it for alot of other things, where when the xbox failed me I couldn't use it for anything. Turn it on and get red rings.

[Solina971]

Are you saying that the Hardware of the 360 vs the PS3 are so diffrent that they would have to build a game from the ground up for the PS3 so it would work right? In other words tha PS3 and the 360 are like apples and bannas?

Ever tried to squeeze a square peg into a round hole..

[Kellymarie Heppell]

Ever tried to squeeze a square peg into a round hole..

I did once..then I woke up xD