Say no to ghost towns. : V - Skyrim

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:04 am

The rest of the Map doesnt exist so long as you are not in that cell, you had a glitch/bug/etc and that does not reflect how it actually works

Another issue/explanation could be WHERE they spawn in the towns. Any walled city typically has three districts, and with many of them you're more than capable of walking through only one or two districts from the gate to the merchants without even realizing there's vampires in town. Thus, you leave without helping and the game decides people died.

Just a theory.

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:10 pm

I disagree completely. Where would the sense that there is an actual war between Vampires and Mortals if the Vampires weren't attacking the cities? If they only did it on the roads, then Vampires become relegated to glorified Bandits. There's no intensity in that. there's no thrill. there's no felling that there is something to fight for. The [u]random[/i] city attacks are as fine as they are. People need to quit over-exaggerating something that is actually no worse and not much more frequent than the random Dragon attacks in the cities and the wild.

How about making NPCs immortal ONLY WHEN FIGHTING NPCs? This solution was suggested several times in the forums because of random dragons attack depopulating towns and it would solve this problem as well; not to mention that it would leave NPC killable by the players at will.

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:13 pm

I disagree completely.

Where would the sense that there is an actual war between Vampires and Mortals if the Vampires weren't attacking the cities? If they only did it on the roads, then Vampires become relegated to glorified Bandits. There's no intensity in that. there's no thrill. there's no felling that there is something to fight for.

The [u]random[/i] city attacks are as fine as they are. People need to quit over-exaggerating something that is actually no worse and not much more frequent than the random Dragon attacks in the cities and the wild.

You're right.
A world without vampires attacking towns during a war between mortals and vampires makes about as much sense as a world where that same war ends, the vampires lose and yet they continue to attack and raid the towns fairly regularly.

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:09 pm

The [u]random[/i] city attacks are as fine as they are. People need to quit over-exaggerating something that is actually no worse and not much more frequent than the random Dragon attacks in the cities and the wild.

As I stated above,

I play on the PC so comments are all I can read to project how the DLC really is. Maybe this is just a silly thing that people may overexagerate or maybe it's a serious problem.

I have no clue how frequent or how much mess the new vampire attacks pose, but it sounds like it's a serious problem. I'll just have to wait and see for myself in a month, but if these "Ghost town" rumors are true - I'll be back on the forums again unfortunately. :blush:

A world without vampires attacking towns during a war between mortals and vampires makes about as much sense as a world where that same war ends, the vampires lose and yet they continue to attack and raid the towns fairly regularly.

I wouldn't mind if the vampires attacked cities and died, what I do mind is that people are reporting how a silly group of vampires is clearing the town without a problem. Plus, this feature could of been implemented just like the Civil War. Depends if you're a Dawnguard / Vampire - the organization plans an attack /defense on a city and your job is to attack/defend. It's far better option in my opinion than random vampire attacks.

And lets not forget that the only feeling we got during Civil War by invasion, was the planned attacks on cities against respawnable npcs. The Stormcloaks/Imperials did not randomly attack cities.

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:47 am

am i the only one systematically offing everyone everywhere in every city? wow... wish i could complete it but for those damn essential npcs

... the orphange in riften is filling up

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:04 am

Its very realistic actually, I think more innocents should have been found dead in whiterun if you siege the place with the stormcloaks.
It is unfortunate, but people die in life. The one fix they should add is people being born and taking place of the dead.

But people need to stop complaining, every time i went to riverwood past level 50 an ancient dragon takes out two or more irreplacable
NPC's which is actually MORE of a problem than the vampire attacks.

Ghost towns were in Skyrim before it wasn't cool. :cool:

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:42 pm

well i have wiped out 3 holds so far... cept for essentials

.. an i know it gonna come back an bite me n the ass... lol. they should replace dead npcs in towns an villages with vampires if you take that road

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:43 pm

Its very realistic actually, I think more innocents should have been found dead in whiterun if you siege the place with the stormcloaks.
It is unfortunate, but people die in life. The one fix they should add is people being born and taking place of the dead.

But people need to stop complaining, every time i went to riverwood past level 50 an ancient dragon takes out two or more irreplacable
NPC's which is actually MORE of a problem than the vampire attacks.

Ghost towns were in Skyrim before it wasn't cool. :cool:

Well, when I joined the Stormcloak rebels and attacked Solitude, the guy who was conducting the execution was somehow killed... leading to a bugged quest marker that never vanished from my quest log without using console IDs. Incase the vampires start doing a mess in my cities, I'll be forced to remove the random event via Creation Kit along with those damned blood svckers... :brokencomputer:

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:23 pm

Dragons are just as bad though. Ive only ever lost 1 NPC to vampire attacks. Dragons will wipe out a town easy before I can even get a shot off.

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:47 am

am i the only one systematically offing everyone everywhere in every city? wow... wish i could complete it but for those damn essential npcs

... the orphange in riften is filling up :smile:

We may have to resurrect Grelod then...

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:05 am

Dragons are just as bad though. Ive only ever lost 1 NPC to vampire attacks. Dragons will wipe out a town easy before I can even get a shot off.

Completely opposite for me. I usually take out an Ancient Dragon before it even attacks. But the vampires always spawn in some unreachable nook behind buildings, killing at least a few NPCs before I can reach them. This happens every time I enter a city.

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:15 pm

Alvor put himself between his daughter and a master vampire...if only he knew his daughter is essential...The funeral was lovely though.

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:37 pm

No, this is far worse then the random dragon attacks, no one in my mates game has ever died from a dragon attack, pre or post main quest, he made sure of that, plus their easy to stop once you have dragonrend. But this, this is a whole new level of madness. You would walk into a city having walked for 20 minutes to get there because your afraid of fast traveling, and find it under attack with people dead.

People not having a problem must be using low level characters or playing on an easier level. We used a level 81 character on Master and even with all the powerful spells and weapons at our disposal, unlimited destruction spell usage and the ability to summon 2 dremora lords, who on master are overpowered, we could not stop the slaugter. You have no idea what its like to see your character who you thought was so godlike amd capable of all thing made to look useless.

It happened to me with a level 8 character started with Dawnguard. It was in Whiterun, with no fast travel at all. Carlotta Valentia got killed. I don't mind if it's rare, to be honest, but it looks like it's something that can happen quite often which may become a problem for me eventually. I'll wait and see before judging overall.

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:06 pm

Only suffered one casualty from it, but loaded a save. I don't really mind it. High levels shouldn't have trouble with it, but I feel sympathy for the lower levels. I've gotten some cool stuff out of it too, like Vampire Gauntlets.

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:59 am

Only suffered one casualty from it, but loaded a save. I don't really mind it. High levels shouldn't have trouble with it, but I feel sympathy for the lower levels. I've gotten some cool stuff out of it too, like Vampire Gauntlets.

Generally, at low levels the City Guards are tough enough to flat out own the Vampires attacking the city without breaking a sweat.

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:24 am

Another issue/explanation could be WHERE they spawn in the towns. Any walled city typically has three districts, and with many of them you're more than capable of walking through only one or two districts from the gate to the merchants without even realizing there's vampires in town. Thus, you leave without helping and the game decides people died.

Just a theory.

Yup, in my Whiterun incident I didn't even know vampires were there until I saw their dead bodies in the street alongside a pile of ash (Carlotta Valentia). Wasn't even aware it happened. Thought about reloading but decided to keep as is. Might reload eventually if it happens too often.

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:22 am

Completely opposite for me. I usually take out an Ancient Dragon before it even attacks. But the vampires always spawn in some unreachable nook behind buildings, killing at least a few NPCs before I can reach them. This happens every time I enter a city.

This.

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:38 am

Generally, at low levels the City Guards are tough enough to flat out own the Vampires attacking the city without breaking a sweat.

Wrong, I've just hit level 10 and Whiterun is currently suffering from a case of the empties.

These are Vampire Masters that are spawning, and the whole business with "Npc's dropping to their Knees" is BS, several times I've reloaded and let it randomly generate a different group of vampires, they will keep attacking until the NPC's are dead or outright kill them in a single blow. So far I've had Adrianne Avenecci killed, several guards, Nazeem and some other named NPC's that aren't classed as essential.

With the radiant quests asking for you to kill NPC's also, eventually each town will indeed be a ghost town.

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:16 pm

Wrong, I've just hit level 10 and Whiterun is currently suffering from a case of the empties.

These are Vampire Masters that are spawning, and the whole business with "Npc's dropping to their Knees" is BS, several times I've reloaded and let it randomly generate a different group of vampires, they will keep attacking until the NPC's are dead or outright kill them in a single blow. So far I've had Adrianne Avenecci killed, several guards, Nazeem and some other named NPC's that aren't classed as essential.

With the radiant quests asking for you to kill NPC's also, eventually each town will indeed be a ghost town.

Not entirely wrong. I'm running a level 18 at the moment and the guards are mopping up the town with vampire faces... they do the same thing and have the same success on my level 38 Khajiit's game.

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:22 am

Here is a tip: Reverse pickpocket some Dawnguard weapons onto the Guards in your favorite towns

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:50 am

Atleast dragons give Dragon Bones when you kill them.. Why can't vampires that attack towns drop their teeth or something to make some badass looking necklace or something

Jus' sayin' :stare:

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:59 am

Is anyone even listening to this? This situation is comparable to an influenza outbreak in which, despite assurances from the World Health Organisation and epidemiologists worldwide, people would rather heed anecdotal evidence and scaremongering, and start burning dozens of incense sticks because they've heard influenza hates the smell of incense.

Don't have Dawnguard, no Xbox, but damn I wish I could like your post just for the funny anology.

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:08 pm

Here is a tip: Reverse pickpocket some Dawnguard weapons onto the Guards in your favorite towns

Being a level 10 I don't have access to those items yet, hell I was just trying to hang out in Whiterun to get the rumor to start the Dawnguard quest line.

Even with my assistance (Destruction mage) with flames being my best spell at that time against a Vampire, it takes the combined effort of me and 2 Whiterun Guards to eventually take down a master vampire. All of this is after he's killed 1or2 wandering merchants.

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:59 am

Not entirely wrong. I'm running a level 18 at the moment and the guards are mopping up the town with vampire faces... they do the same thing and have the same success on my level 38 Khajiit's game.

While you personally may not be experiencing the same hardships, it doesn't mean many others aren't. It's a shame that, for once, I'm actually wishing there were more essential characters instead of less haha. This is getting sort of rediculous. I'm about to just say "screw it" and give up trying to help the cities

» Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:49 pm

While you personally may not be experiencing the same hardships, it doesn't mean many others aren't. It's a shame that, for once, I'm actually wishing there were more essential characters instead of less haha. This is getting sort of rediculous. I'm about to just say "screw it" and give up trying to help the cities

It's the same as Dragon attacks. Some people get hit much harder and more often than others. I know that Dawnstar in my game has like... three people in it due to Dragons. lol

It's really not as bad as it is made out to be, but it does underscore the seriousness of an invasion. Persevere, your cities won't fare as bad as you think they will.