Yes they do.

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Absolutely not. You can't give yourself a 2000+ dmg dagger by accident. It requires some very deliberate actions to do so, in which you knowingly set out to break the game mechanics. To then come here and complain about "balance" as a result of the abuse/exploit you've deliberately carried out is beyond risible.

Especially when destruction does not even come close.

I was pretty ambivalent to the removal of spell making at first, sure we lost the fun of tinkering with spells and such but we gained a variety of new spell types such as the thrower, runes etc
But i had no idea that they didn't scale and just become obsolete as you level, i don't know why they thought this was a good idea.

What i would like to see the most is some spellmaking close to alchemy and enchanting where you unlock spell types and effects that you combine to make new ones.
That might be abit far fetched, but i'd frankly be happy with just tinkering with the effects we have, for example i could change ice storm to do fire damage instead, or frenzy and increase their magnitude.
Instead of on target and on touch we'd have channeled,wave,projectile,exploding projectile,rune etc how great would that be? Would atleast somewhat make up for the loss of spelleffects like reflect damage and such.
Some control and flexibility would be such a great improvement to the magic system.

Thats not the same as having "no variety". All it does is cheapen any argument you may have by making it appear as though you haven't thought about it. Less <> none.

by the gods I wish people would just think about what they're typing.

What he means is compared to older entries in the series there is a serious lack in variety with the lack of spell creation and the lack of additional spells that use to be in the older games. I completely agree with everything he is saying compared to the other games there is nearly not as much variety and customization for mage characters and spell users. I for one would love the variety we had in Skyrim with the new effects, and spell creation.

Exactly. The amount of variety we have in Skyrim pales in comparison to the huge amounts we had in Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblivion.
It's mind boggling that people are happy that we have significantly less than previous games in the series.

Congratulations on fitting the definition of a fool.

This whole argument is foolish. All of you, from every side of the argument, keep repeating the same things and expecting other people's opinions to just change. When they don't, you just discount them and assume they're imbeciles. Never once did any of you, from any side of the argument, consider that the others had any sort of point, that they have the freedom to prefer one over the other, and instead decide that because you MUST always be right, anyone who disagrees with you is lesser than you. You're all idiots, every last bleedin' one of you.

I have an interesting question: who cares if you want spellmaking? Who cares if you don't? it's all opinion, and the only opinion that matters and ever should matter is the artist, the guy making the game. Because let me tell you something; for every two-bit superfan on the face of the earth, there's ten reasonable people who will simply enjoy what they're given, desiring more but never expecting it. Someone who appreciates something for what it is, instead of what they want it to be. You people? You're just an addled minority, the unpleasable base that has killed every wonderful thing that has ever existed.

So again, this thread is full of fools. Each and every one of you.

Keep in mind, a lot of Skyrim players never played Arena, Daggerfall or Morrowind. I'm sure there's some that never played Oblivion. However, there are plenty that have and are still in support of this dumbing-down. So yes, mind boggling.

Uldred

All they did was add pretty animations. Gow the hell can anyone mistake that for a better magic system. They gutted magic.

Spell Creation added more to the game, that's a good laugh. The only thing it added was a different effect to a standard spell and a name, otherwise it looks just the same as any regular spell. Only reason people are complaining about it getting removed is for RP reasons and game balance comes before Role Playing any day of the week.

We can only hope that people wake up and smell the cutting before TES 6 becomes a pure action game devoid of RPG mechanics.

Far too many people desire form over function. I don't care if it's pretty; I care if it's a fun and engaging system. Spell creation was that and also a unique system that few other games had. Now we have a generic, but pretty, system just like all the other generic, but pretty, systems that most of the other games with magic have.

Congratulations on fitting the definition of a fool.

This whole argument is foolish. All of you, from every side of the argument, keep repeating the same things and expecting other people's opinions to just change. When they don't, you just discount them and assume they're imbeciles. Never once did any of you, from any side of the argument, consider that the others had any sort of point, that they have the freedom to prefer one over the other, and instead decide that because you MUST always be right, anyone who disagrees with you is lesser than you. You're all idiots, every last bleedin' one of you.

I have an interesting question: who cares if you want spellmaking? Who cares if you don't? it's all opinion, and the only opinion that matters and ever should matter is the artist, the guy making the game. Because let me tell you something; for every two-bit superfan on the face of the earth, there's ten reasonable people who will simply enjoy what they're given, desiring more but never expecting it. Someone who appreciates something for what it is, instead of what they want it to be. You people? You're just an addled minority, the unpleasable base that has killed every wonderful thing that has ever existed.

So again, this thread is full of fools. Each and every one of you.

Congratulations on fitting the definition of a fool.

This whole argument is foolish. All of you, from every side of the argument, keep repeating the same things and expecting other people's opinions to just change. When they don't, you just discount them and assume they're imbeciles. Never once did any of you, from any side of the argument, consider that the others had any sort of point, that they have the freedom to prefer one over the other, and instead decide that because you MUST always be right, anyone who disagrees with you is lesser than you. You're all idiots, every last bleedin' one of you.

I have an interesting question: who cares if you want spellmaking? Who cares if you don't? it's all opinion, and the only opinion that matters and ever should matter is the artist, the guy making the game. Because let me tell you something; for every two-bit superfan on the face of the earth, there's ten reasonable people who will simply enjoy what they're given, desiring more but never expecting it. Someone who appreciates something for what it is, instead of what they want it to be. You people? You're just an addled minority, the unpleasable base that has killed every wonderful thing that has ever existed.

So again, this thread is full of fools. Each and every one of you.

I never created spells in earlier TES games, but I do have a question.

Could you, in prior games, make a On Touch Chameleon/Invisibility Frenzy spell that would turn the target Invisible/X Chameleon amount and attack people?

If so, then spell creation should be forever in TES.
If not, then it should have and the system wasn't diverse enough.

Yes. Doing things like that was quite fun! I also liked frenzy + massive health buff that made 1 guy kill 5 people.

Just have two spells, one for healing and one for damage so it's a bit easier to understand