It was locked before I could finish off my thoughts. So I will finish them off.

I'd like to leave a thought. We are the consumers. Are we truly fine with consuming sixty dollar games that do the bare minimum? Yes the developers make the game, but we the consumers and the fans have a right to have a voice about what we want in a game. I made an argument earlier that no one bothered to address. Video games deserve the attention of a movie or a television show. We should have actors and developers who care. And there is nothing wrong with asking, and demanding for higher quality in the games.

We as consumers should stop accepting the bare minimum. I just saw the trailer of Heathfire....I like how all the things that should have bene in the game are now being put into the game as DLC. Reminds me of one on one fighters, about how all the costumes and the clothes you use to unlock by beating the game are now DLC. Mortal Kombat is probably the best example of a one on one fighter who decided to allow us to have unlockable content by beating the game and buying extra stuff. But I digress. Heathfire is a good step in the right direction, but doesn't fix the other issues and flaws this game has.

I agree with the OP and I'm appalled by some thinking that Skyrim does everything right; best story, best combat, biggest amount of player choice, best exploration, best writing and the best game that has ever been made. Now opinions are opinions, but it is hard for me to understand why some people can't admit the flaws of the game, and tell the OP to stop whining and leave. Seriously? Can't have some friendly constructive criticism once in a while?

Thanks Boxcars.

There is atleast 6 million skyrim players who only know this game from the TES series. Some probably believe the game is flawless and the best game ever and some dont want to actually play oblivion or morrowind or daggerfall because old game is old. Its easier just to say you have played em all and skyrim is DA BESTZ!!

others prefer an action/adventure over a rpg and Skyrim is one hell of an action/adventure game so they would be correct saying its one of the best games (in that genre).

others dont know what an rpg is and think its just building homes and adopting kids

Point being there are alot of reason why people would think Skyrim is flawless without it actually having to be flawless

So you made this thread so that you can get people to agree with you?

[___________a Mile wide, a Foot Deep.____________]

I made this thread....you know what I'm done.

Anyone else who wants to be a smart ass and be rude leave the thread. You can voice disagreeing opinions and arguments, I don't mind. But being rude is a general annoyance.

No, he just wants your input. Your point of view about his thoughts.

ok what about now creating one about the good stuff that skyrim has? never saw a post about THE GOOD STUFF SKYRIM HAS or that mods can do!

Some people just don't get it actually most people don't.


@Dark:

I agree Skyrim did improve on combat, the graphics are definetely nicer, and I like to feel like I'm not carrying around a magical butter knife that cuts enemies down. I never said that Skyrim was bad, people just assume that's my argument. Instead of getting my meaning they dance around it with strawman arguments and pick and pull at it.

Anyone that thinks the game is perfect is fooling themselves. Do I think the OP is whining, just a bit. I feel they made steps in the right direction for much of the games content. I say that because even though I MADE a computer purely for TES4, having everything that I felt would improve my time with the game I have put far more hours into Skyrim on my PS3 in the last 10 months then I have for TES4 after having it for almost 6 years ( i think thats how long ago it came out). This is just more fun to play, or closer to what I want in my "I have time to kill game."

It's not perfect but it's the best modern RPG out there right now IMO. Most people's criticism is hardly constructive, it's more like "why doesn't bethesda listen to me and give me what I want" "Why do they fail me so much" boo hoo. "Why are they making DLC for a game that's already a mod for PC users only"

Indeed.

That was "Oblivion".

Closely followed by "Morrowind".

Too much hand holding storywise in "Skyrim" for my taste.

However as "Oblivion" and "Skyrim" already exist I'm glad the developers made something new.

"The Elder Scrolls" series has always been about the experience for me and "Skyrim" is a different experience and a great one at that.

The game itself is hardly basic and the asking price for the "Hearthfire" DLC reflects the fact that it's more "The Wizard's Tower" than "Knights Of The Nine".

Az

See, in my other thread I pointed out a few games and explained what they had.

TW2 better graphics than Oblivion, I mean visually amazing in its own right, textures look right. Character models are horrendous, but it's forgiven because of the environments and the content put in it

-Spellcrafting
-Armor in pieces not just one giant cuirass
-Crafting allows you to break items into their elemental parts, to make new items
-Books teach you on strageties of spellcrafting and fighting
-Lockpicks can be broke with a sword, but items may be damage; you can open it with magic, or you can lockpick
-You also have clothing Dye

Not only that, but the graphics are definetely better than Oblivion's. Yet, it has all the same content, some quest were more memorable than others, etc.

And I'm not asking for Oblivion TES5. I'm asking for substance to my game. I'm asking to not cut out materials. Its like making a house and because someone doesn't like the windows they tear down the whole entire house instead of updating the windows.

Again, I like Skyrim just fine, could it be better? Ofcourse, but I am more than getting my money's wirth, still playing it daily.

Edit: If you are so dissatisfied with this series, perhaps its just time to think about moving on? I'd say it happens with all things eventually.

let's say I agree, because I do agree with what you're saying to a point. Day one DLC, online passes, overpricing dlc, the gaming industry has a lot of bs in it's gears and I hate all of it. But what can we do about it? Boycot a product to show the industry we don't like their practices? They'll just see the game failing, coming to believe, let's say rpgs, can't be as successful as shooters. So all we can do is complain about it, here and elsewhere.

But Beth is on the whole a decent compainy. They don't do day one dlc, they don't do online passes. At most, they've only taken minor heat due to overpricing dlc, which is debatable when compaired to other dlcs for different games, and the delay for ps3 owners. Bugs are another one, but again that's come to be expected of beth and is on the whole negligible for the bulk of game owners.

Beth would have to royally, and I'm talking Mass Effect 3 royally, mess up before anything would change.

So while I do wish Skyrim's quests had more depth, and player interaction involved, I don't feel that it should feel shameful in the fact that it failed to meet my expectations. I still had fun playing, and since they haven't messed up enough to the point where they're really getting bad press, I don't think they should feel ashaimed fo Skyrim at all.

I dislike much about Skyrim, but in a way, I suppose that's due to my own (foolish) expections.
I thought Oblivion would be the "bad" one.

The problems I have with the game are so vast in size and so many in number that I have trouble stating them all.
It's like a inverse of Christmas time, when you have several presents before you, and you can't decide which to open.

Games like Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, The Witcher 1 & 2, Dragon's Dogma, Two Worlds 2, and possibly others that I did not play, presented the Action RPG Fantasy genre with improvements, each distinct, but all of a high quality.

Meanwhile, Skyrim still uses the combat system of a game that came out six years ago, not to mention strips away options that Oblivion had, and looks like a game from 2009.
Why does something like Red Dead Redemption have better graphic quality than Skyrim? That game came out two years ago.
Why do handheld RPGs have better and more fluid combat systems than Skyrim?
Why does a game like Saints Row 2 have better character creation and characterization than Skyrim?

Skyrim is game I've played more than other recent games, despite Skyrim doing everything worse than every other game, and that's simply because of the breadth of content within.
I'd say Skyrim has more content than other games, but at the same time most of that content is bland and boring, and once I've done it with a character, there's no reason to do it again because there's never any other way to do it, except maybe doing it worse and losing part of your reward.

This game doesn't even feel as ambitious as Oblivion did, and especially not Fallout 3, this game feels like something they made because they had to.
At no point did I think while watching how unsuitable this engine is for Dragon combat that this game has heart put into it, never did I think while navigating through menus dumbed down to a ludicrous level that someone made this for any reason other than to make money.

I don't want to say this game is soulless, but that's the way I feel.

what the Op says is my view on all DLC for all games. We have allowed this practice to become the norm. Nowadays developers leaving stuff out of the game on purpose then selling it at ridiculous prices. The worst thing is that is not even finished, at least that's the case in beth games. If we the consumers keep allowing this to happen by buying whatever piece of unimaginative DLC they throw at us at day one, then the future of gaming will continue to get worse. Next TES will feature day 1 DLC of the thieves guild if we allow it to happen.

Now PS3 users have to be content with Beth releasing a DLC that has "acceptable" performance and will charge them full overprice on them knowing that it will be extremely inferior to other versions. Not to mention all the spoilers. I almost vomited when I saw the Hearthfire (house armor) video. This people have clearly loss all passion, creativity, imagination and have turned into money hungry or addicted politicians, trying to milk as much money as they can and alienating the fans in the process

I too though oblivion was going to be the "bad" one.

I disagree with alot of the other stuff tho, unless you play on a CRT or are literally blind, there is no way you think red dead looks better than skyrim. You must be having a laugh

I feel pretty much the same, sadly. The only thing I liked about Skyrim was the art design, and the sound was pretty good. The gameplay? Jeez, Terraria has captured my imagination more than Skyrim gameplay.

TES becoming the new Final Fantasy.

Yeah, I don't see the OP whining and crying "Why do they fail me so much". Really the only people who are whining are the people who say close the thread without even reading it and giving it any thought. Some threads out there are whiny but c'mon, most of the people who make these threads want to see the game improve and are not being temper tantrum 4 year olds.

ok im sorry for that but i come here since 11.11.11 and since then i saw about 1000 or more threads sayg that skyrim was so bad and 10 or 15 saying skyrim was amazing but i guess that how life is in Oblivion was the same thing in about the firste 2 years but know its all about Love and Want to play Oblivion i hope the same happens with skyrim

Also this will always be like this i guess because Bethesda or any other company will do the perfect game

Oh no, we get it... you want a game that's within the price range of teh allowance you get for the chores you don't do. You want that game to be custom built to your exact specifications. We get that. We got that last thread, and we'll get that next thread. The consumers HAVE spoken. That's something YOU don't get. You're a minority, a greasy wheel. Don't expect you to understand teh mile mide, foot deep reference, but if you don't, look it up. Come back with substance. 'Kay?

It's smoother, the enviroments look better, the people look more realistic, move more realisticly.