This. Especially the last sentence.

I can't wait for the PC release and a mod that adds stage 4 attacks back in.

Heck I wouldn't even mind if it was like oblivion, where it wasn't illegal to be a vampire (Cyrodiils are,like, crazy tolerant) but if you were exposed, no one would talk to you unless you had their disposition up way high and they loved you, and if you committed a crime, guards would bend the rules and sentence you to death. In a way it felt much deeper and well thought out than just outright attacking. There was new dialogue, your best friends would still support and protect you, guards would call you a monster etc.

Yeah, in Oblivion, guards tried to kill me.

They said: "Feeding time is over vampire, go back to the grave that spawned you."

If you think about it, this retcon about Sybille being apart of that evil vampire faction and also a mole in the Empire....really doesn't make sense.

I say this because if you listen to some of the dialogue, there is an implication that some people in the government of Soltiude actually know Sybille's true nature. After all, even if she didn't have glowing yellow eyes, its not hard for people to eventually learn about her true nature (doesn't eat food, has lived for a long time, doesn't look old, etc). Since some people must know about her being a vampire (like that guy that mentions how she feeds), then they must have a good reason to trust her being so close to the Jarls, which has been going on for over 20 years. She must have done something to gain there trust for them to allow a blood svcking monster in there palace.

However if she was a mole....then it wouldn't make sense for people to know her true nature, its not very smart for a mole who is a vampire, who is working for a vampire faction, to have the people she is infiltrating to discover her true nature.

I will put this post here since the other topic was locked

I think what mort is saying that volk vampires don't blend LIKE cyrodil vampires since cyrodil vampires look just like a human but volk vampires who live in towns have to make up some [censored] excuse to why their eyes glow and their skin is pale. I mean why do you think majority of them live in caves and the court in a castle on an island?

Lets not forget the normal folk don't really know what a vampire looks like since majority of people who meet vampires are well.. dead and lets not forget the volk vampire can simply make up an excuse that they are a mage. People are suspicious of sybille but they are not like pitchforks and torches since they trust her and has done good for the jarl court she most likely had to work incredibly hard to get people to trust her. She had to build an identity since now it kinda looks like she is mole after you blot the sun.

What I mean is for a volk vampire to live in a town first the town has to trust them VERY well that they will look the other way volk vampires don't look like complete monsters they just look pale and have glowing eyes and that can easily be explained as you simply being a mage. Yes a volk can live normally in a city but it would be EXTREMELY hard thats why my vampire characters normally wears a hood/helm in towns that I feel the people don't really know me.

Right now in skyrim Sybille is the only vampire living in a town the reason why she can do that is as I said before they trust her she raised a high king so I could see the jarl's court looking the other way but if she does anything that gives her away they will hang her out to dry/or leave her to the wolves.

There's another thread now

Dam oh well copy and paste.

That's actually a good point.....and what thread are you talking about Shinros?

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1393917-an-idea-of-how-vampires-and-werewolves-could-have-been-done-thread-2/

Oh it was in the thread about how to improve werewolves and vampires cause some people are saying that volk vampires cannot blend in at all and mort was saying nothing in the volk lore says they can't.

Here is the first thread

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1392951-an-idea-of-how-vampires-and-werewolves-could-have-been-done/

Here is the second
http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1393917-an-idea-of-how-vampires-and-werewolves-could-have-been-done-thread-2/

Possible but vampires can be independent, just because she is a vampire, it does not mean she is evil or wants world domination. Though she does feed on the prisoners so she is not completely good but she cared for the high king.

So your saying she must starve? Since when is eating evil?

Well considering what she says after you blot out the sun it makes me think she is a part of harkon's court. Oh and as werewolf said she has to eat if vampires don't drink blood they go insane/go into a coma. Plus I think sybille picks prisoners people won't miss.

What's wrong with feeding on prisoners? I'm sure none of them are considered good.

She kills when she feeds, instead of keeping them alive.
comment from someone "let just say the headsman is not the worst way to die"

I'm sure not all of them are murderers as well, you can be jailed for stealing bread.

I guess lions are evil because they kill their prey.

Lions don't have the option to not kill, vampires do not have to kill, they choose to. Nothing wrong with it, I was just pointing it out so there is no need for debate about this.

Honestly I want an option to kill people via feeding I mean babette does it all the time! I am jealous.

Me too but you can sort of already, Vampire lord has feeding as a kill move. At least we can feed on the awake now.

True enough I can settle for that.

well leaving the prisoners alive after leaves a lot more risk to them revealing her to the general public... so I'd say she's justified in this case

Yup its the reason why I said that she most likely feeds on people no one will miss.

Again it does not matter as my original point was that her being a vampire does not mean she is evil but her actions don't make her fully good either. Shinros was theorizing that she may be a part of the volkihar court and I replied that not all vampires are about world domination or evil.