Sybille stentor... vampire : V - Skyrim

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:47 am

The only way Bethesda can fix this crap is by either adding the Order and re-tweaking the vampires or just retcon it all and say "Cyrodiilic vampires and Volkihar comingled bloodlines and are now a single, unified clan."

Which would be completely pathetic if they did that.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:45 am

That's just it. The Order are older than the Third Era, much older. Since Tiber Septim united Tamriel and Cyrodiil became the seat of an Empire, they infiltrated and took over the clans. Yeah, but how do you know Garen Marethi was a vampire when he worked for the Great Houses? Indoril, I believe. He could of went to Skyrim and got infected by the Volkihar. It doesn't mean he originated in Skyrim as a Volkihar. Clearly the vampiric tribes in Morrowind were the Quarra, Berne and Aundae.

The only way Bethesda can fix this crap is by either adding the Order and re-tweaking the vampires or just retcon it all and say "Cyrodiilic vampires and Volkihar comingled bloodlines and are now a single, unified clan."

That would piss me off severely. Clearly Bethesda is just lazy, and they care too much about gameplay rather than their lore, and they did not want to waste time making good vampires that had great potential.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:05 pm

why were does it imply that the order are the only one who do this???

Immortal Blood I believe says this, and I know for a fact that Manifesto Vampyrum says this. Is that the right name Werewolf&Vampire?

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:18 pm

why were does it imply that the order are the only one who do this???

Just accept the fact that the Volkihar were carbon copies of the Order. Volkihar didn't even make it into the list of "enlightened" vampires in the manifesto

. If anything, the Whet Fang are suppose to be the smarter ones, such as the Glenmoril Wyrd. Bethesda just wanted to make gameplay more fun.

Fans: "Wuaaaa! I want Volkihar! Ice breaking powers and paralyzing effects!"

Betheda: "What do we do? I know. We can copy the effects of vampires from Oblivion and add them to these vampires we label as "Volkihar" and then give them wings and rip off from Underworld."

Don't get me wrong, I love the Vampire Lord appearance, but to make them Volkihars? Pfft.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:13 pm

Immortal Blood I believe says this, and I know for a fact that Manifesto Vampyrum says this. Is that the right name Werewolf&Vampire?

Manifesto Cyrodiil implies they took over Cyrodiil in the Third Era, infiltrated politics and just wiped out savages from their land. But there are over a hundred clans of vampires...so their true origins is a mystery.

Bethesda! Y u make my heard hurt?

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:29 am

Don't get me wrong, I love the Vampire Lord appearance, but to make them Volkihars? Pfft.

annnd there's the crux of the issue, the VLs/harkon and the like are fine, the issue is that they are clearly NOT Volkihar, yet they are being labeled as such. Heck they could've just copped out completely on the Volkihar by having them stay beneath the ice the entire time, it would've been disappointing but it wouldn't have broken the lore

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:34 am

Manifesto Cyrodiil implies they took over Cyrodiil in the Third Era, infiltrated politics and just wiped out savages from their land. But there are over a hundred clans of vampires...so their true origins is a mystery.

Bethesda! Y u make my heard hurt?

I was talking about the book or whatever it is that the Order wrote about how they live and everything.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:36 am

That's just it. The Order are older than the Third Era, much older. Since Tiber Septim united Tamriel and Cyrodiil became the seat of an Empire, they infiltrated and took over the clans. Yeah, but how do you know Garen Marethi was a vampire when he worked for the Great Houses? Indoril, I believe. He could of went to Skyrim and got infected by the Volkihar. It doesn't mean he originated in Skyrim as a Volkihar. Clearly the vampiric tribes in Morrowind were the Quarra, Berne and Aundae.

The only way Bethesda can fix this crap is by either adding the Order and re-tweaking the vampires or just retcon it all and say "Cyrodiilic vampires and Volkihar comingled bloodlines and are now a single, unified clan."

Oh my God go to uesp.net/lore and look for it the volkihar are the ones they are older than the empire they have probably been around since the merethic era. Second look for the little lore on the order and you will see that it states that they are old but that they started to infiltrate in politics in cyrodil during the third era. And third if you listen to garen marethis dialogue you will understand how i know he was vampire when he was in one of the houses

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:01 pm

Just accept the fact that the Volkihar were carbon copies of the Order. Volkihar didn't even make it into the list of "enlightened" vampires in the manifesto :tongue:

. If anything, the Whet Fang are suppose to be the smarter ones, such as the Glenmoril Wyrd. Bethesda just wanted to make gameplay more fun.

Fans: "Wuaaaa! I want Volkihar! Ice breaking powers and paralyzing effects!"

Betheda: "What do we do? I know. We can copy the effects of vampires from Oblivion and add them to these vampires we label as "Volkihar" and then give them wings and rip off from Underworld."

Don't get me wrong, I love the Vampire Lord appearance, but to make them Volkihars? Pfft.

We all know in this forum that it was copy and paste but we are taling lore wise which means that the oldest clan is the Volkihar just ccept that piece of lore

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:54 am

Oh my God go to uesp.net/lore and look for it the volkihar are the ones they are older than the empire they have probably been around since the merethic era. Second look for the little lore on the order and you will see that it states that they are old but that they started to infiltrate in politics in cyrodil during the third era. And third if you listen to garen marethis dialogue you will understand how i know he was vampire when he was in one of the houses

but the uesp is a wiki and thus only as reliable as it's source, it would be better to use an in game book to back up your claim, or dialogue

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:10 am

Oh my God go to uesp.net/lore and look for it the volkihar are the ones they are older than the empire they have probably been around since the merethic era. Second look for the little lore on the order and you will see that it states that they are old but that they started to infiltrate in politics in cyrodil during the third era. And third if you listen to garen marethis dialogue you will understand how i know he was vampire when he was in one of the houses

By Molag Bal's rauaging habits!

First, I don't have Dawnguard, so I did not heat Garen Maerethi's comment about being a vampire in one of the houses. Second, while the Order infiltrated politics in the Third Era, it doesn't mean they weren't doing it before in other lands. They could of been doing the same thing in other important locations during the Second Era.

And (G)aren (M)aerethi being a Volkihar in Morrowind is beyond insulting from Bethesda's part. Lore is now officially destroyed and obliterated that it isn't even worth discussing anymore. Same think with Vicenti being infected in Vvardenfell and suddenly having powers of a Cyrodiilic vampire.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:41 am

I thought that Garen Maerethi was referring to a morrowind vampire clan

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:50 pm

We all know in this forum that it was copy and paste but we are taling lore wise which means that the oldest clan is the Volkihar just ccept that piece of lore

Harkon and Lamae and Serana and Valerica are old. We have no lore on the Volkihar other than their castle, which Serana mentions was a dwelling by their previous owners(who we don't know). Lamae spawned countless vampires after she became one, so she could of made vampire clans that are older than the Volkihar. And Skyrim alone has more than one clan, but it doesn't even appear in the game. Immortal Blood said the most powerful clan was the Volkihar of EASTERN Skyrim, meaning the others were left unknown. Secondly, there is an ingame journal which mentions vampire clans in Skyrim. Plural.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:24 pm

I thought that Garen Maerethi was referring to a morrowind vampire clan

I don't have Dawnguard, but what do you mean by this?

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:19 am

I don't have Dawnguard, but what do you mean by this?

I meant I thought his comment about being in another vampire house was referring to being in a morrowind clan

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:51 am

I meant I thought his comment about being in another vampire house was referring to being in a morrowind clan

He said that? So what, he got re-infected?

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:37 pm

Just accept the fact that the Volkihar were carbon copies of the Order. Volkihar didn't even make it into the list of "enlightened" vampires in the manifesto

. If anything, the Whet Fang are suppose to be the smarter ones, such as the Glenmoril Wyrd. Bethesda just wanted to make gameplay more fun.

Fans: "Wuaaaa! I want Volkihar! Ice breaking powers and paralyzing effects!"

Betheda: "What do we do? I know. We can copy the effects of vampires from Oblivion and add them to these vampires we label as "Volkihar" and then give them wings and rip off from Underworld."

Don't get me wrong, I love the Vampire Lord appearance, but to make them Volkihars? Pfft.

Very well put. As I described before, there ARE ways to make their current appearance make sense (except for the way they blend in), but it's obvious that what werewolf described IS what they were thinking and why they made the choices they did. While, once again the changes MIGHT make sense, they didn't have to change them in the way that they did. Bethesda has a habit of tearing their old ideas down and replacing them instead of BUILDING upon them and enhancing them. This is just another example of this.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:15 am

He said that? So what, he got re-infected?

Probably since Harkon can re-infect the player if he is already a vampire.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:42 am

I meant I thought his comment about being in another vampire house was referring to being in a morrowind clan

No! He was house dres haha. Thats not a vampire clan. It's a great house of morrowind.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:10 pm

No! He was house dres haha. Thats not a vampire clan. It's a great house of morrowind.

Then I apologize for muddling the issue

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:11 am

By Molag Bal's rauaging habits!

First, I don't have Dawnguard, so I did not heat Garen Maerethi's comment about being a vampire in one of the houses. Second, while the Order infiltrated politics in the Third Era, it doesn't mean they weren't doing it before in other lands. They could of been doing the same thing in other important locations during the Second Era.

And (G)aren (M)aerethi being a Volkihar in Morrowind is beyond insulting from Bethesda's part. Lore is now officially destroyed and obliterated that it isn't even worth discussing anymore. Same think with Vicenti being infected in Vvardenfell and suddenly having powers of a Cyrodiilic vampire.

You havent played Dawnguard and you were arguing about Marethi......ok. Anyway you said " They could of been doing the same thing in other important locations during the Second Era." more speculation i can say " well the volkihar could have infiltrated court for a time and then stopped when Harkon found out about the prophecy its just speculation it doesnt make it true.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:40 pm

You havent played Dawnguard and you were arguing about Marethi......ok. Anyway you said " They could of been doing the same thing in other important locations during the Second Era." more speculation i can say " well the volkihar could have infiltrated court for a time and then stopped when Harkon found out about the prophecy its just speculation it doesnt make it true.

No, but I know enough to watch many videos to understand ingame dialogue and lore...okay? Good. Now that you placed your futile attempt at sarcasm, let us get back on track. What you say is speculation as well. The Order copying the Volkihar is simple speculation. Everyone theorizes the Cyrodiilic vampires involvement in politics due to the ingame books and dialogue from Morrowind which states noble vampires blending in Imperial society.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:23 am

Harkon and Lamae and Serana and Valerica are old. We have no lore on the Volkihar other than their castle, which Serana mentions was a dwelling by their previous owners(who we don't know). Lamae spawned countless vampires after she became one, so she could of made vampire clans that are older than the Volkihar. And Skyrim alone has more than one clan, but it doesn't even appear in the game. Immortal Blood said the most powerful clan was the Volkihar of EASTERN Skyrim, meaning the others were left unknown. Secondly, there is an ingame journal which mentions vampire clans in Skyrim. Plural.

Harkon, Valerica and Serana started the Volkihar clan when Harkon sacrificed 1000 virgins and had both his wife and daugther have intercourse with Molag Bal if you played the Dlc you would know this

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:26 am

Harkon, Valerica and Serana started the Volkihar clan when Harkon sacrificed 1000 virgins and had both his wife and daugther have intercourse with Molag Bal if you played the Dlc you would know this

ok, no need to attack him, he probably doesn't have access to it.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:21 pm

Harkon, Valerica and Serana started the Volkihar clan when Harkon sacrificed 1000 virgins and had both his wife and daugther have intercourse with Molag Bal if you played the Dlc you would know this

Everyone on these forums know this. And you are basing your lore off the DLC, when that was just Bethesda's way of making the vampires better because they svcked from the beginning. They made the vanilla Skyrim vampires wrong, and then this DLC did not do them any justice.