Did he specifically say he was part of the Volkihar Clan? Did he say he created the Volkihar clan? Did he say him and his family were the first to spawn the Volkihar clan? Back up your claims with either ingame dialogue quotes, videos, or ingame books. Yes, we know Valerica and Serana and Harkon are purebloods. Yes he sacrificed a thousand innocents because he wanted to become a vampire and he feared death. We all know this, but that is NOT the point.

Apparently you dont understand in-game dialogue if you did you would have commented about Marethi. Secondly i know its speculation because if you would go to my previous post in this thread i was trying to know why people were saying sybille was from the Cyrodillic Strain and not from the Volkihar and apparently all the answers were based on speculations

We know he resides in Castle Volkihar, but apart from that I have seen no further evidence
We speculated about her being Cyrodilic because it fits her behavior to be in the Order as the lore depicts it

Then yo tell me what is the point before the Merethic era there was the Dawn era which was when the creation of Nirn began after that was the Merethic when Molag Bal started to give his "Gift" to people and one of those people was Harkon and his family therefore starting the clan go look for it in the uesp and play the DLC and you will get more in-game info.

PS. I am not trying to be an [censored] i am just trying to prove a point in which the order is not necessarily the ones who started blending into political courts and such and that Sybille stentor is not necessarily from the Cyrrodilic Strain

Exactly speculation doesnt make anything true thats why i said that there is no reason she could be from the volkihar clan and thats why Bethesda gave her the eyes

UESP is not a reliable source. Yes, Bal created Lamae in that era, but it still doesn't mean the Volkihar are the only vampires in Skyrim that originated back then or if Harkon is a Volkihar. All we know is that he was turned by Bal in that time, but Lamae already existed before them. From her, she created other vampires. Harkon, with his own family, created his own.

Remember when you talk to vingalmo or orthur ( i think thats how you right his name) they say that you should not trust the other because all they want to do is become the new leader of the clan meaning that if Harkon did all this to become a pureblood then he created the court and that they want him to step down and give them the right to rule over the volkihar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo The Order may not have been the first ones, but the Volkihar have never been the vampires to blend into political courts, and as we have been saying that is the Order's cup of tea. The Volkihar are supposed to be living under frozen lakes and be hideous monsters that only come out to feed on mortals. Therefore, Sybille could not be a Volkihar, she would have to be a Cyrodiilic vampire.

Thats just it i am not saying that they were the only clan in skyrim but they are the most powerfull meaning that since they hate other vampire they would have wipe them out

This.

That is it! I demand we make a thread to call Vsions and force him to elaborate on this lore. Someone has to do it because this is getting out of hand ever since the release of Skyrim.

Then why was Marethi involve in House Dres in Morrowind while being a bloodsvcker since we are basing ourself in speculation instead of proof then who's to say that after Harkon found about the prophecy he stopped all operations to work on blotting out the sun. And if i remember correctly serana did say that once their family was a happy family but then when her dad found about the prophecy that was all he could think about

I do agree that Bethesda should make this more clear to us because we are leaving to many details to speculations

I have no idea what you are talking about dude, I do not own Dawnguard because I have a PS3. I am basing all my stuff on what I know of the vampire lore, and how Bethesda has screwed that lore up with the vanilla Skyrim vampires, and the post-Dawnguard vampires.

This all comes down to how vampires should've been done. And with that being said I refer you to http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1392951-an-idea-of-how-vampires-and-werewolves-could-have-been-done/.

When you get it go talk to Marethi this is all he says at the beginning of the game

Honestly at the end of the day all we can do is speculate since bethesda keeps tearing down old lore and replacing it with a new one and on the volk issue how old is serana when you tell her that there is an empire centered in cyrodil she is like "lol wut? Really?" So that would make her old, older than the order vampires.

She is probably from the Merethic Era

The issue is that she can't be older than the castle itself, because she lived in it before she was put to sleep. The castle is obviously much more modern than the nordic barrows and ruins (second era maybe?) but Serana herself seems to be older than that. It's very confusing.

Well nothing stops a vampire from moving house right? I do it all the time.

She lived in it before she was put to sleep. If she was in the merethic era, and made it to an era when this castle could have been built then she would've been exposed to at least one cyrodiilic empire.

Fans: Vsions! Please elaborate!

Betheda: Vsions cannot answer this for you, but we can.

Fans:

Bethesda: What do you want to know exactly?

Fans: Lore! Everything we mentioned about the Order and the Volkihar.

Bethesda: Easy. The Order never existed. Immortal Blood was a fake, crappy book. Volkihar are the best vampires ever because they are the order and everything mixed up! Janus Hassildor was a Volkihar, so was Seridur, Jakben, Greywyn, Lord Lovidicus, Pale Lady, Rona Hassildor..and Vicente Valtieri.

Fans: But Vicente was bitten in Vvardenfell...how can he be a Volkihar?

Betheda: Oh, we retconned that. Like Cyrodiil was never a jungle, Vicente was never telling the truth! Everyone wins!

Aside from being one of the better games I've ever had the pleasure of playing, Skyrim has been a mess as far as the minority details go. I was perfectly content with Sybille being a curiosity, but now it's not so much a curiosity as opposed to a DIDN'T SEE YOU THERE VOLKIHAR-HAR-HAR.

I think Bethesda had the golden opportunity to be creative with vampirism and completely botched it. Don't get me wrong; I appreciate the fact that I no longer have to pay attention to what stage of vampirism I'm at, but that just takes away from the fact that it was something you had to pay attention to so whatever hold you graced with your ungodly presence didn't suddenly form a mob and charge after you with pitchforks and torches a-blazin'. It took away from the very little immersion that exists in Skyrim.

No worries. Just wanted to clear that up for everyone.