This is what it boils down to, I can't believe all of these Beth [censored] that blindly praise this flawed product. It's broken, clearly. It's not up to the customer to fix it.

PC games don't need graphics and sounds to be the better gaming platform for hardcoe games. Sure, there's that shooter stream that seem to want all the graphics they can get (CoDMW), but these are also the same gamers that wish to be entertained in the most linear of ways possible, pushed forward on an invisible rail from intermezzo to intermezzo.

Those aside, the PC platform knows many, many deep games that you can still run on older systems. Take Minecraft. Ludicously simple in design, but very addictive, using the mouse as ultimate controller. But there are many other games that hardly rely on graphics to make them awesome. That's because the PC can interface in so many ways. I can understand you got fed up with upgrading, but my rig is 3.5 years old, and I may consider an upgrade next year. In those 4 years I could play all games I wanted to, including Skyrim. The Dragon Age series were wonderful. Many of those games I actually never needed to tweak like I had to with godawful stuff like RAGE.

Talking about RAGE for a side-stepping moment, that was also utter crap from Bethesda. Nice engine, shame about the PC game. It seems Bethesda is aiming to get a monopoly for releasing utterly flawed PC games.

Ah, missed that was the point and ya, I know about that. The PC bashing the consoles is missing the point that the UI is just bad in so many ways and it's not just console ports making the PCs suffer; it's more than that. There have been a lot of these threads whining about the poor PCs, but seriously, the UI is just bad and then there are also some PC specific issues.

The hotkeys are working (which makes much more sense)? Oh, then I'm being stupid and mine should work .I just need to figure out how. Derp.

Nonsense. Everywhere you look, you will find a lot of pissed PC gamers. That is not whining, that is a serious complaint. That there are so many of them should teach you that it has nothing to do with whining. The UI has indeed design issues that will also not work on consoles, yet it is the attempt to create an UI for the console in the first place that led to those design decisions. Never, ever, have Bethesda even remotely considered what the UI for the PC should look like. The result, a game with a lame steering weel and Bethesda saying: "Good luck, PC losers, thanks for the money, and up yours."

i dont think its arrogance but more they feel slighted. elder scrolls was a pc game to begin with it and it had a loyal following of pc enthusiasts. pc gamers have been getting snubbed non stop with ports and when you tell them you built a brand new engine (which they didnt) you expect some PC freindlieness.

add to that the dumbed down level and perk system and its even more frustrating.

thankfully we have mods. something the xbox crowd will never have.

Yeah, the UI is bad. So [censored] what? The game is epic. Probably the best game ever made. Can't you see past the [censored] UI? It's not even that big a deal.

I guess you are either a console owner, or not a hardcoe PC gamer.

Gamepads have been a part of PC gaming since before the mouse. There is nothing wrong with using a gamepad on the PC if the game plays better with it. Not sure I agree Skyrim does due to magic aiming and fine movements to select items in the world, but overall your statement is kind of silly. Why would I play something like Assassin's Creed with a keyboard for example?

First you need to favorite the items, spells etc. in the main item and magic menus, then in the ingame favorites menu highlight the item you want to quickslot and press a number key.


It is, and it is. But it's not exactly ignore since you need to use it constantly.

Wrong and wrong. I play all my games on my PC. I just don't see what the big deal is. Yes, it could be a lot better, but taking all the other amazing things about this game into consideration, I just can't bring myself to complain. I'm too busy enjoying the [censored] game.

It's just the [censored] UI. It seems to me that most of the PC gamers here are plain unintelligent if they can't figure out how to use it, it's not that bad. Seriously, just play the [censored] game.

Better luck in the game "Black Marsh"?

I do hope so.

Fair enough mate! Well said

exactly i thought the people who designed the control setup for metal gear snake eater where drunk and high and had brain damage but in a week i got used to it. give it time you will eventually grow used to it.

If Bethesda was adamant that people should have to use a controller with the PC port in order to be "doing it right", then they should have included one in the box ( might actually justify that $10 price increase ). Noone should have to buy an unnecessary peripheral separately for one game simply because the developers prefer to develop for 7 year old gimped crap.

I agree man. Not only is this a terrible console port. They actually raised the game price over other properly built pc games.
Bethesda have hit a new low.

So just see past it? The UI? LOL am I the only one finding that terribly funny?

Agreed 100% consoles are for sports games and mario brother type arcade games

Playing a first person shooter like battlefield 3 using a controller works sure, But a keyboard and mouse beats it hands down every single time for control honestly you cannot compare the two a keyboard and mouse is so superior to a controller for control speed and accuracy. You just cannot beat a keyboard and mouse for aim control and speed. RPG's are complex and require a lot of controls to play effectively and to single button menu click 100 commands to a single button then scroll up and down till you find the right one is how you must do it for a game to even function on a console but with a keyboard you have an entire keyboard full of buttons so again the keyboard and mouse wins hands down every time when playing a RPG. With sports games like NHL and Madden you NEED a controller you just cannot play those types of games using a keyboard and mouse there really is no other option.

Different types of games just play better on console and some play better on a PC. Having to play with a controller commanded menu system and UI when on a PC playing a PC game using a keyboard and mouse makes no sense. I understand why they needed to make the UI and menus the way they did to even just function on a console but seriously why not make the menus and UI for the PC version work well with keyboard and mouse which 100% of PC users will use. Tell me did the programmers program the game using a controller ? Click a button to bring up a menu the scroll to the a letter then click a button then scroll to the next letter and so on to make a word ? Technically yes you could program a video game this way but I guarantee they used a keyboard for typing because of its vast superiority in speed and efficiency. So then why take all that command and control out of the game when playing using a keyboard and mouse ? Makes absolutely no sense at all.

YES....the ui TOTALLY isnt something you have to use CONSTANTLY throughout the ENTIRE game. so easy to look past.

I guess my standards are extremely low but I've got no problem with the UI. As long as the game is relatively stable with few CTD's and a smooth fps, then thatl's all I caare about, and guess what? I've got exactly that.

You can tell it's console friendly, but it's still nowhere near as bad as some people are making out. When I first loaded the game, I was expecting horrendous controls, and an unmanageable UI. Ultimately, I found none of these things, and have been enjoying the game without issue.

So it just goes to show, I think there's a lot of baseless bull being posted on this forum, with some people being dead set on hating the game. Not surprising, you get it with every new game release, it is simply their determination which surprises me. You hate the game? Fine, then uninstall, and leave the forums. Simple.

Love the GUI has it is now. Took me a while but i got use to it.

You play on PC right? Get a mod when there's one available.
"RUINS EVERYTHING" is a bit of a hyperbolic statement...

You want to know why I have the absolute right to call the UI a total piece of crap?

Because I can't return it and get my money back.

How many other businesses give you the finger as soon as you hit the purchase button?

I'm sure they 'll make a ton off the consoles and really don't give a ****, but that's it for Bethesda as far as I'm concerned.

I've got ten year old RPG's that are better in every respect except for the graphics, and I'm going to boot one up right now so I can forget about the $60 that was just stolen from me.

If I get tired of that, there are more than enough FREE maps for Portal 2 to keep me busy.

We all knew about this UI before release, and there were plenty of screenshots and videos floating about. If you'd taken the time to read/watch everything, you would have known about it, and could then have cancelled your order. Simple really.

Honestly, at first I didn't like the UI, but I have gotten used to it and it's not a problem anymore. Muscle memory, I guess.