Aren't you aware? Their opinion is is superior to ours in every way.

No.

No.

No.

One of the things that makes Fallout so great is that it's a world that is continually moving forward. Fallout is not some Marvel comic where after 50 years absolutely nothing in the world has changed.

As far as I am concerned:

The Oil Rig was destroyed.
Raven Rock was destroyed.
Adams AFB was destroyed.
The Remnants died at Hoover Dam.

The Enclave is gone, and the wasteland has moved on.

You really enjoy being the vigilant warriror fighting against 'hypocracy' and injustice don't you?

The majority of people here seem to want the Enclave back because of better loot or a dislike for Caesar's Legion and I have to ask what kind of reasoning is that? Won't the Commonwealth provide those things? Why keep dragging the Enclave back into it when previous games make it clear that the Enclave isn't some infinte horde - and that even having a base on the other side of the world or whatever would mean that they didn't have advanced power armour - ready to spring from statis pods whenever the previous is defeated.

No need to lump everyone who enjoys the previous titles into one ball of spite.

My accusation wasn't unfounded. We've been down this path many a time before and what's it boiled down to, and many have admitted this, is that some of the older folks feel our opinions are useless because we're "new" (in spite of the fact that I'm likely as old as any of them..) They've made that well known, and as I said, have even admitted it. Your comment that we only want the Enclave back is because of their "better loot" goes hand in hand with what I'm saying. The belief that all those who are "new" are somehow inferior, and clearly spend their time playing first person shooters and that their opinions should be disregarded is what plagues this forum like a disease.

I'm only going on what I've read here:








And aside from repeat commenters like you, me, Smert etc that's most of them I'd dare-say. You know what, that EmJay or whatever guy's CoD comment was massively out-of-place and damaging to our cause and needlessly rude and provavative. Besides, I left myself a get-out clause when I said most, which it is; a lot of people want the Enclave back because they don't like fighting Legion - I agree - or for loot and aparently Enclave presence means insane weapon experiments too; there's no need to bring them back, have the Commonwealth, I don't really like that either but I'll take something new and give Bethesda the chance rather than just keep rehashing the Enclave over and over again - it still pisses me off that even after Broken Steel they still left themselves something to bring them back again.

I think it's best to just have Enclave remnants, such as old bases, wreckages, etc.

There are actually a lot of Enclave fan-people who wanna see them come back as the "good guys".

If in some future game there is a quest that I can make the brotherhood of steel make peace with the Enclave and together they go after the NCR, that would be hilarious.

Seriously, I never want to see the NCR again. The Mojave is just too damn settled already; anything more and it'll be less post-apocalyptic and more just an adventure game. Brotherhood, too. Put the game in what used to be Canada, put Chicago at the bottom of the map, and have it star an Enclave citizen who's forced out into the world by his aging command structure and has to figure out a way to keep the American way of life from dying completely. There's plenty of land and landmarks to be had.

Massive straw grasping detected.

Yeah I hear ya

Imagine it, an Enclave brand upgraded Pip-Boy, an outfit like the vault suit with the star-circled E instead of a number, maybe a baseball or football stadium being used as a raider city. All things I'd like to see in a future Fallout.

An old school vs school opinion. Old school We have only had one experience with the enclave and that was in FO3. Most of us really enjoyed it so you have to understand it's going to leave us wanting more. I don't think they will be the villains in the next fallout but I do think they will feature in it. Hell they might only be a small group of 10.

Go on. Tell me I'm wrong.

The Enclave is dead in all parts of the US that we know of. I don t think we ll see any more Enclave in fo nv. I doubt we ll see much Enclave in fo4.

For Enclave to come back hard it will take a good deal of explaining.
Many people will not be happy.

A few more games with bad guys like cl everyone will be wondering where Enclave is.

i'm a old timer to i was probably playing FO before some of the youguer here could even walk

The people that head the Enclave are all about pure dna humans. They can never really be the good guy. Former soilders can like we see in fo nv, because once their leadership is gone they have to melt into what ever suits them best. If a strong Enclave ever does come back they won t need bos. They will be huge and will probably win the game. I just hope they at least don t want to kill everyone but themselves.


The chances are very slim that they will ever be back in force. They don t want to be your friend. They want to kill you, because you are not pure dna human. The best you can hope for is that they decide unpure humans are at least good for slaves.

I hope we never see the Enclave again. Other than running into some aging vet who tells you stories about them, or some small, very small group whose parents were in the Enclave, it would better if they were gone for good.

You must not understand what the Enclave are really all about.

The Enclave only likes pure dna humans. It s pretty certain they are the only ones. They will never have mutants work for them on a large scale. You are below them....... In their eyes they are the only real humans left. They can never come back and love you.

They hate you........... They want to shoot you in the head with a plasma rifle and kill everyone you know. The only ones that will be your friends are former soilders who are forced to go with the flow of the wasteland or get killed.

Know the Enclave before you ask for them back.

Its not that... .... ive been on this forum since 06, but due to circumstances im on this new account -,-

I see what you mean i thought the ''old timers'' were oppressive and seemed to know it all. But it boils down to the fact that Fallout is a very serious game and its fans are some of the most devoted of all video gamers. The ''old timers'' like myself have seen it all and know Fallouts history back to front and anything that doesn't make sense or belong; so to speak is therefore immediately targeted and destroyed.

You MAY be less informed on the history of Fallout so you MAY not understand some of the arguments against the Enclave returning and so forth. Its not that i hate the Enclave i think they were a very admirable and formidable opponent that have sadly been killed and signed of. Bringing something back to life is never the answer no matter how much you miss them you just have to let them go

Dont ever use my name is a snarly uninformed way. Before accusing me of anything get my name correctly. Im just warning you because one thing ive learnt in boot camp for the marines is respect!!! -,-

Insulting them makes us look worse and allows them to just dismiss our arguements as 'old people [censored]ing'; I mean seriously, you don't think that you were being a little too patronising with this?

I don't get all of the Legion hate, I found them much more interesting than I ever found the Enclave and I'm not even a Legion fan. Power armor and energy weapons don't equal the greatest antagonist ever, the Enclave's story is pretty one dimensional compared to the Unity's and the Legion's and this automatically makes them my least favorite Fallout antagonist.

Your talking about F3 right :stare:

Say we're talking about Fallout 2. What are you going to do about it? They were even more one-dimensional there, just a bunch of psychos killing for the sake of killing. At least 3 has some internal conflict over that plan to you know, kill everyone and everything.

You could interact with them a bit more in Fallout 2, and they were definitely better written, but I wouldn't really say that they were deeper. They weren't as bumbling as they were in Fallout 3, but their story and agenda was still fairly one dimensional compared to the Unity's and the Legion's.