The Hopping Dead - Thread #6

Post » Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:23 am

Well, there is the (unfounded) theory the undead retain a spark of who they are, but the primal instinct to feed is stronger than that faint whisp.

I've heard of that theory before.

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But I don't if it was just me, but it seemed that Merel wasn't really trying to eat his brother. It's like he was rather trying to get Darryl to kill him instead.
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Post » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:01 am

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what do you guys think will happen to Daryl now?


^ question about tonight's episode and a characters future.
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Post » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:41 am

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what do you guys think will happen to Daryl now?

^ question about tonight's episode and a characters future.
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I honestly think this will break Daryl, make him empty and hopeless in most respects. I can't see him becoming angry over this. His heart is literally broken over his brother dying. That's my opinion.
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Post » Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:44 pm

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I don't really feel bad for Merle, he made his choice. Daryl having to kill him was certainly heart wrenching though.
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Post » Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:20 pm

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I don't really feel bad for Merle, he made his choice. Daryl having to kill him was certainly heart wrenching though.
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In a way, I kind of don't, and it's not about his personality. It's the fact that in the end, he chose to go out an unsung hero of sorts. He knew he wasn't coming back from this. He went out like the kicking ass and taking names guy he was.
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Post » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:37 pm

Oh God,
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Merle
, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:52 pm

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Merle was a good guy IMO. As Michonne said truely evil people don't feel any weight for what they do. Merle felt bad about the things he did. In the end thow he did what Rick couldn't do, bring the fight to the Governor. svcks Daryl had to end Walker Merle. Very powerful seen.
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Post » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:30 pm

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Well, I was expecting it, but it's still a bummer. I've been a Michael Rooker fan since I first saw Henry. Merle was an interesting character, and I was hoping to see him redeem himself. He finally got that redemption, but, as I thought, it would come at the cost of his life. A redeemed Merle would really have no place on the show.

Next week looks like it's going to be exciting.
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Post » Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:04 am

Any hardcoe zombie fans notice the iconic Dawn of the Dead zombie in that episode?
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Post » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:47 pm

Oh man, the end of the last episode. All my feels!

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Someone give Daryl a hug! :(
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Post » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:18 am

Any hardcoe zombie fans notice the iconic Dawn of the Dead zombie in that episode?

One of the best walkers in the series so far!
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Post » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:59 pm

The show is becoming rather slow, i mean the first 45 minutes of the episode were almost unnecessary. Worth it for the last 15 ~
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Post » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:41 pm

The show is becoming rather slow, i mean the first 45 minutes of the episode were almost unnecessary. Worth it for the last 15 ~

There was much needed character development in this episode, especially with Rick, Daryl, Merle and Michonne. The action isn't needed one bit when the writing is as good as Gimple's.
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Post » Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:45 am

A decent enough episode, though I thought the ending was done poorly. It felt like the producers figured they could just get by with the event and it would be enough to make the audience care.
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Post » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:43 am

A decent enough episode, though I thought the ending was done poorly. It felt like the producers figured they could just get by with the event and it would be enough to make the audience care.

My thoughts exactly. This show is just running its course for me now.
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Post » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:41 am

A decent enough episode, though I thought the ending was done poorly. It felt like the producers figured they could just get by with the event and it would be enough to make the audience care.

And as you can see it worked for plenty of people.

I personally thought it was another good one.
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The finale has me worried for Daryl's life though.
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Post » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:12 am

I thought this was one of the best character focused episodes this year.

Thoughts on Ep. 16:

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I've had a theory for a while that TWD actual follows the same sort of story telling formula that a film or piece of literature follows - a more "closed arc" that involves an attention grabbing opening, slow rising action that builds the conflict, puts motivations in play, and moves the story toward a climix or turning point, to be followed by falling action as the characters become more defined and resolute, the conflict builds, characters more fully develop and get their realizations, and options are discussed and anolyzed, all building toward a final resolution. When looking at each individual season, the formula is clear. The seasons flow better when watched sequentially one after the other without the week long breaks in between.
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This Sorrowful Life is a pivotal episode in the area of character development, character epiphanies and discussions of options, all leading towards the final resolution of the season. Some major character moments are realized:

1. Rick - based on forum discussion here and there, some are angry that Rick would decide to turn Michonne over to the Gov. and feel it is out of character. However, it seems completely IN character to me. This guy who went back into Atlanta to save Merle and "can't let a man die of thirst," the guy who told Daryl "we don't kill the living" in season 1 and rescued an impaled Randall in season 2, has since nearly executed Randall (only his son stopped him), killed his best friend, left a hitchhiker on the side of the road to die, killed a prison inmate with a hatchet, locked another inmate in a yard of walkers, and kicked out a perfectly capable, healthy, and willing to help group of survivors (Tyreese's group). His evolution is such that where he would never consider such a trade before, he is now not only considering it, but actually planning it, even though there is little chance it will do more than buy them some time. It's his walk on the dark side, but he pulls himself up from the abyss and reconsiders, allowing his humanity to once again take over. His denouncing of the dictatorship is a sign that he doesn't need to be Shane in order to keep his group safe (we all know Shane would hand her over in a heartbeat). This is important character development and a great evolution of his character, only to come full circle again.

2. Daryl - Why does he go along with the plan? This once again, seems totally in character for me. He's not a leader. For all his good qualities, his obvious fondness for children, his loyalty to Rick and the group, he's not a take charge kind of guy. He's a henchmen in many ways, and rarely pushes his opinion on something. He realized Shane killed Otis, yet he said nothing about it for an entire season, he was all for the plan to kill Randall and even used "enhanced interrogation techniques" to gain information. When discussing the fate of the prisoners, Daryl admitted they were not killers, but when asked directly if they should let the prisoners join them, he said, "Hell no." His moral compass is somewhat askew, but is pointing in the direction of whatever it takes it save the group and trusting Rick's judgement. So, when the plan is presented, he can say it "don't feel right" but he'd still go along with it. Call it a character flaw, but that's Daryl.

It's also interesting to note how desperate and perhaps naive Daryl is to live peacefully with his brother in the group. He approaches Glenn as a peacemaker, but of course that gets him no where. He's desperate to "make it right" and if that means letting his brother "hand over Michonne" then so be it.

3. The Governor - I'm intrigued by the fact he bites Merle's fingers off. Not only is that just SICK and shows savagery beyond comprehension, but in essence the Gov has become a "biter." No, he's not a zombie, nor do I believe he was bit in "Prey" and is turning. But symbolically he is just as bad as the very thing that is their common threat. He's worse, actually, because he has intelligence and is driven by vengeance, while the zombies are mindless and driven by instinct. This takes him to a new level, and the fact that he doesn't put Merle down after killing him - to let him turn - shows once again his depravity. He is more "evil" than the Walkers. "Fight the dead, fear the living"

4. Michonne - What a fracking amazing character. Cool and calm, intelligent and innovative. She doesn't run when she gets the chance, in part, I believe, because she knows that not only could Rick not go through with it, but that Merle probably can't either. She is able to "talk Merle down" and help him in his realizations. She shows no animosity over the fact that they are going with the deal, and has grown into an irreplaceable member of the group. This episode transforms her from a cut out character with a cool sword into someone with substance.

5. Carol - Damn, but I like what they are doing with her now. At first, I hated Carol. Even after the Sophia arc, I feared they would make Carol into Daryl's shadow, following him around, being saved by him constantly, occasionally putting him in his place, etc. I hated her feeble attempt to "fool around" with him at the top of the bus in Seed and feared then where her character was going, but luckily they kept the "romance" (if that's where its headed) on the back-burner and made her grow into the "wise woman" of the group. She's the voice of experience in human matters, no nonsense, who can tell Merle to stop drinking and get with the group and tell Andrea to kill a man in his sleep after six. I hope they use her to help Andrea heal after she returns to the group, but I think it would make it awkward for a romance to bloom with her and Daryl if she continues on this road. She doesn't "depend" on Daryl, which is how the relationship started to form, a sort of appreciation for his efforts to find Sophia. But she is no longer defined by Sophia, Ed, or even Daryl. She's now her own character. Now I'd like to see her save a character, literally, maybe Judith, to cement her evolution.

6. Merle - of course. This episode is really about his evolution. He's still a jerk, a racist, etc. He hasn't "changed" but he has evolved. As he says, "Perhaps he's a late bloomer as well." He goes along with the Michonne deal for one reason only - to live in peace with his brother in the group Daryl calls family. However, he knows it's not possible. He still needs drugs and it remains to be seen how sorry he actually is for what happened to Glenn and Maggie, but he does realize what he is. He gives Michonne several opportunities to escape (maybe subconsciously) so even his attempt at the deal isn't with all his heart. What he is determined to do is go on a suicide mission. It's for a mere chance that he can take out the Governor, but he probably realized it would result in his death. Either way, it would make it easier for Daryl to live with his new family. In many ways, he's committing suicide for his brother. This makes his death honorable, helps him die selflessly (for Daryl, and in turn for the prison), brings him to a realization, and yet he still doesn't die "a hero" since he was searching for drugs, drinking, and had kidnapped someone. It's a fabulous and heart wrenching cycle for him.

My disappointments:

1. Beth - still unsure what they are going to do with her. She may be a red shirt, especially since they haven't done much in way of interacting between her and Carl. She's little more than a babysitter and a camp side entertaining, who occasionally shoots a gun. But I hope they do more with her.

2. Martinez - it remains to be seen what they will do with him, but I was hoping for more depth after his bonding with Daryl. He still seems like he's all for the Governor and the Governor's plans.

3. Andrea - Still not seeing anything that would redeem her or make the viewers forgive her inaction's. So far, she's tied in a chair, that's all. With an episode left, there's little time for anything to truly make us feel for her....unless...

4. Milton - I'm dying to see what he does in the finale. Hopefully more than just torch a pit of walkers. I'd like to hear more about his background and relationship with Philip, and I'd like to see him truly take a stand.
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Post » Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:48 pm

Good episode, but nothing really surprising came of it.
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I never expected Merle to survive this season anyway, and him turning into a walker at the end was precisely how I would expect the Governor to handle a situation like that.


Also, something I've been thinking about regarding the very near future of TWD...

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I've not read any of Littlemike's recent spoilers, but I've been thinking about the way Glenn's character has been handled, and it seems to me that he's being set up for a bad ending. The talk of marriage and other things in in recent episodes leads me to believe he won't be around much longer. I hope I'm wrong, I like Glenn, after all he saved Ricks ass while he was trapped in the tank on the pilot episode
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Post » Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:19 am

Wow, did anyone see the extended preview of the final episode? Looks crazy and there's no doubt in my mind some of our beloved survivors are going to die.


My girlfriend and I have been rewatching some of season 2, and I still don't see why so many people hated that season. There were some great moments throughout and the Episode "Nebraska", in my opinion, has one of the most intense scenes in the entire show while Rick, Glenn and Hershel are in the bar being confronted by two new guys. That whole scene was so well done. All-in-all season 2 was a great season and I don't know why so many of you hate it.
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Post » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:00 am

Wow, did anyone see the extended preview of the final episode? Looks crazy and there's no doubt in my mind some of our beloved survivors are going to die.


My girlfriend and I have been rewatching some of season 2, and I still don't see why so many people hated that season. There were some great moments throughout and the Episode "Nebraska", in my opinion, has one of the most intense scenes in the entire show while Rick, Glenn and Hershel are in the bar being confronted by two new guys. That whole scene was so well done. All-in-all season 2 was a great season and I don't know why so many of you hate it.
cuz it had less zombies and guns and stuff! :P
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Post » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:42 pm

cuz it had less zombies and guns and stuff! :tongue:

Lol, yeah, that's pretty much it. But looking back it still had a fair share. Everyone was upset that they were on the farm so long but think about it. With having a safe well supplied shelter it's only logical the surviovrs are going to try to stay there for as long as they can.

Season 2 got so much [censored] here on the forums, but I'm still in the minority thinking it was a really great season. People claim season 1 to be the best, with all of it's six episodes. Season 1 wasn't loaded with super cool awesome zombie killin' action either. Really wasn't that much.
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Post » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:28 am



Lol, yeah, that's pretty much it. But looking back it still had a fair share. Everyone was upset that they were on the farm so long but think about it. With having a safe well supplied shelter it's only logical the surviovrs are going to try to stay there for as long as they can.

Season 2 got so much [censored] here on the forums, but I'm still in the minority thinking it was a really great season. People claim season 1 to be the best, with all of it's six episodes. Season 1 wasn't loaded with super cool awesome zombie killin' action either. Really wasn't that much.
yeah season one was mainly just a starter (naturally because its like 1 you know? :) ) to introduce characters and stuff.
Besides season two proved
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being a young kid doesn't mean you'll stay alive......and not shot.
some of the episodes did go slow without adding much of anything though.
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Post » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:49 am

Wow, did anyone see the extended preview of the final episode? Looks crazy and there's no doubt in my mind some of our beloved survivors are going to die.


My girlfriend and I have been rewatching some of season 2, and I still don't see why so many people hated that season. There were some great moments throughout and the Episode "Nebraska", in my opinion, has one of the most intense scenes in the entire show while Rick, Glenn and Hershel are in the bar being confronted by two new guys. That whole scene was so well done. All-in-all season 2 was a great season and I don't know why so many of you hate it.
Why did I not like season 2 as much. Complacent story, soap-opera drama, and less focus on survival.
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Post » Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:21 am

Why did I not like season 2 as much. Complacent story, soap-opera drama, and less focus on survival.
I didn't care much for Season 2 because it felt like it became more dramatic, with no real reminder it was a zombie apocalypse save till the end really. While in fairness, it is a remote farm, but still.

Edit: Question, was the helicopter in Season 2 the one that crashed in 3? Nvm, forgot the seasons are about half a year apart.
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Post » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:51 am

Why did I not like season 2 as much. Complacent story, soap-opera drama, and less focus on survival.

I understand the majority of complaints for season two, but being on the farm and staying put there basically was their survival. Therefore making the need to focus on survival much less of a priority. That's why Rick kept begging Hershel to stay on his farm. It was a safe, and mostly secluded, place where the group wasn't fighting for their lives searching for safe shelter on a constant and consistent basis.

I do certainly agree that their large focus on the drama aspect was by far the worst part of that entire season though. That's basically what's keeping it from being a really good season for me. It did feel like there was a lot of unnecessary drama that they just kinda tossed in for whatever reason.

Anyway, these are just my opinions. For me, season two wasn't amazing, but it certainly wasn't terrible either. I also think the final 2-3 episodes were among the best cliffhangers I've seen for a TV show, behind the season 2 finale of Game of Thrones of course!
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