I noticed this to, I tryed to play a battle mage and I pretty much just gave up on that since my spells cant kill anyone so I end up using a healing spell in one hand and my sword in the other. But I have found no trouble with NPC mages only NPC warrior tanks. Which is to bad because I think the magic system has alot more potential then this.

The OP based it on three very silly built high end characters (the rogue should be majoring in Health, not stamina for instance) that he then used to kill off a cities worth of NPC's. The Warrior had a much easier time then the others.

You're not a very godlike DPS caster, since it takes a year and a half to kill anything at the later levels with those spells and many of the bosses are immune to the stagger. And this doesn't even account for the risk of giving yourself an epileptic seizure from the over-large spell effects (The entire room blows up, and the orc only loses 10% of his health bar, really, really?) and the tendency to kill any friendlies in the area by accident (Friendly NPC's appear to not scale as well as enemy NPC's).

Idly a tip for those that like doing the DPS thing with mages, you'll be doing vastly better DPS if instead of Dual Casting, you instead first press the Right hand, then Left hand so you have both hands charged with different spells. Then you start alternating by releasing right->release left+click right->release right+click left etc etc. You'll now be shooting spells like a machine-gun.

However unless you exploit enchanting to get spell costs down to 0% you'll be going out of mana rather quickly(about 3-5 seconds).

Being a mage is way easier than being a heavy melee warrior in my experience.

mages need shouts to just get by. Warriors just faceroll.

With Skyrim, it seems a poor idea to judge its balance by damage-per-second alone.

I stand corrected, I was comparing heavy boots to light bracers. Thankyou sir, for making me disapointed with the enchantment system.

Yeh, it's a bit silly. The main reason to use cloth is because until you're at an extremely high level of enchanting, you can't match the enchanting level of the random cloth items that drop everywhere, but once you do there's literally no reason to go unarmored.


Well, Destruction doesn't really do anything else. It would be one thing if it made walls/slowed enemies/debuffed them etc. But Destruction is pretty much all damage.

That's why they should have kept things like Drain: (Skil).

I think comparing a fire spell that is purely used to damage vs a smack that is purely used for damage is perfectly reasonable if we focus on a skill by skill comparison of damage skills after factoring their synergy with other skills instead of making up classes.

the specific skills destruction, one handed, two handed, and archery have very little purpose outside of damage.

Ok, aside from damage. Overall mages struggle while warriors faceroll.

From reading this thread, it would appear some people lack the imagination or intelligence to play a mage or rogue type character. If all you want to do is mano-a-mano in their face combat, don't play a mage or rogue.

Achery doesn't get a 30x bonus, please stop

From reading your post and then remembering what I actually read in his thread where he said his "rogue" was the strongest and didn't even need his rogue skills to survive combat it would appear you didn't read the thread even though you said "from reading this thread".

Thats pretty much what i got out of this thread too, they have all these tools to use but insist on trying to fix a vase with a hammer

Regarding part in bold. This is not playing a rogue, it's playing a light warrior. Clearly you didn't understand my post.


This person gets it. Clearly you do not Chiatroll.

I misremembered, specifically archery gets 6x while it was daggers that went up to 30x. However 6x on a weapon that already does 250 damage is ample.

You seem stuck on the idea of classes, this game doesn't have classes, it has skills. You can kill people by either using One-handed weapons, Two-handed weapons, Archery or Destruction Magic.

Three of these scale, one does not.

I think you guys are over stating how poorly destro scales

If you just stack -spell cost enchants, then you're gonna be weak. Be more creative

Like what exactly, oh wise one?

Unless you stack nothing but spell cost enchantments and grab all the half cost perks you won't have enough magicka to really last through a fight. Not all spells deal damage, but they're damn expensive all the same.

Well i'm still early in the game,about level 8,and am playing a Sword and Shield warrior type.

I use archery and sneak sparingly,and magic not at all.Right now i'm getting owned by a couple witches whom have me dead by the time i can even get into melee range.I'm suspecting my character will not have better success against magic types,even as i level,using this playstyle.

It's the type of character i chose to play though and i'm going to stick with it even if it means does mean becoming frustrated at times because i'm not good against everything.

Didn't need them and saying they aren't any good are too different things.

rogue skills don't do damage. Many of them supplement the ability to deal damage with non rogue skills though.

Anyway my posts only talk about the problem with comparing class by class insetad of skill by skill.

All destruction does is blow stuff up so it compares side by side with 1 handed, archery, and 2 handed.

Destruction doesn't defend you, it doesn't make you invisible, it doesn't make your enemies attack each other, it doesn't find enemies nearby or hide you. Destruction does damage. It has no more utility then an enchanted sword or bow or claymore. Because of this the specific skill destruction DOES compare to other damage skills archery especially.

Without getting all into details and stuff....
Destruction magic seems terribly underpowered.
Level 9 dual wielding fire and spark takes 3 or 4 seconds of fire-hosing-in-the-face to take down a wolf.
Other variations seem similarly weak.

(Altmer Mage tweakin slider over to Novice here boss...)

The best way to deal with enemy mages is to just do a lot of burst damage at once so they can't damage you or find a spot you can range them down where they can't reach you. If you go magic vs magic against them it'll be even worse than melee. In that regard mages are even more at a disadvantage.

You get those at level 1. Get better spells perhaps

well this is early game noobness yet... warrior is strong but very weak against mage... slow from frost nuked by mage piroblast trust me mages can be very dangerous at master lvl also sneak perk whit 30x sneak dmg just ambush the hell out of most of the target. warriors is very strong till they run out of fatigue