Vampires can use crossbows ... mine can anyway. Without spoiling anything, Vampire Lord does have some pretty cool ablilities.

I expect if this can be made to work, the PC version will have mods for this. And for keeping Argonian faces. Makes it worth the wait, in my opinion.

Well it's alright if you dont care, but character customization is extremely important for many roleplayers. It makes the avatar feel more personal, and some people take pride in the faces and bodies they make. In TES and Fallout (since bethesda took over) you were given the option to fix any mistakes you made on your character's face. This was useful because it's often hard to see your character (in oblivion it was too dark and in skyrim the lighting is off and you can't turn around). This ability was taken away in skyrim, as were the majority of customization options, leaving people with lackluster characters. For people who like to customize their character, it was a big deal, and now that we have the choice again that's a big deal. But we dont have the choice if we're vampires...in a vampire themed-dlc. Therein lies the problem.

And it svcks if you have an xbox or PS3

I'm not saying character customization isn't important to me. I've just never had the desire to change my face on any of my characters. I got them right the first time.

I guess you're better at it than I am haha. I messed up the nose on my wood elf because I couldn't see her profile. Now I'm stuck like this...

Well for your sake I hope they let vampires change their faces.

Thanks haha. So, anyone else want to comment on this? I hope I'm not the only one peeved.

You're really enjoying this discussion, aren't you?

I do this on all threads. I want people's input and the more people that comment the more likely it is that people in charge will pay attention

Good idea.

If Bethesda keeps listening to ALL the fans, then gameplay will start to fail.

No lunar transformations. Werewolves feed on animals now. Vampires do not burn in the sun. No vampire fangs. No fourth stage attacks. What else, Bethesda? What else!?

Very true. It's such a difficult balance. If they listen to no feedback they'll alienate everyone, but if they listen to everyone they'll forsake their own lore, gameplay, and creativity.

I guess it's a simple matter of only listening to "good" ideas, but that's not as simple as it sounds

All bethesda had to do was lock eye color change for vampires. Not including a face change option for vampires is just crazy. Bethesda has made some bad choices with dawnguard.

Only for PS3. Xbox gets Dawnguard early, PC gets mods to alter it and the PS3... gets... erm... nothing :/

Not even lock the eye color. They should of added more vampiric eye colors. From the vanilla orange/red to the bright yellow.

Agreed 100%.

you cant change it once your a vamp and curing yourself to fix the lip line and other vamp face problems wont fix it, turning vamp again will return the lip line and such

you can fix the dirty face bug though by removing all eyeliner, eyeshadow, cheek color and forehead color then going vamp again

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1388403-petition-to-allow-vampires-the-use-of-the-face-change-mechanic/

please join me here, im sorry this was not fixed during beta

I would join you, but aren't petitions not allowed on this website?

Petitions of any type are not allowed. the aforementioned thread has been locked.

Besides, the devs wrote that section of the game in specifically that manner. It's not a bug, glitch, or any other type of error. That Mage simply does not work on dead flesh. If you ask her, she'll even tell you so.

Yes, that's the issue we're having. It's a poor, random design choice that came out of nowhere.

My guess is that's it's not a design choice but rather how the Vampirism textures are applied over the current textures. Essentially, I think the way the game is designed is that in order for them to apply correctly on a new face and give you the correct textures/colors etc for your new face, they'd have to remove vampirism then turn you again. THAT is probably the reason behind this design "choice".

There'd have to be some sort of workaround for that though. Remove those facial textures while you're getting your face changed and then put them back maybe? Regardless, it's a shame that they didn't take the time ti make a workaround and instead left the vampires in their vampire themed dlc from enjoying a major feature without balancing it out or giving some substantial reason for it. If the face changer was in castle dawnguard I wouldn't be AS upset about it, but either way it's just such an arbitrary and jarring omission in the game without any substantial backstory or reason for it.

Seriously. That's a huge disappointment. All the things I wanted to do in the DLC as a vampire I won't be able to do?