If its this then bethesda just shouldn't mess with your characters face when you become a vampire. Other then changing your eyes and giving you fangs. Oblivion had people with old man vamp faces stuck that way and now the burnt face bug. Bethesda changing our characters face when becoming a vampire seems to be the problem.

What else did you want to do?

Not to mention in Oblivion it sent you back to the default male face regardless of gender. I mean, we're supposed to be able to blend in, so the whole "vampires should look like monsters" thing doesn't work here, especially since many of the vampire npcs are attractive.

We don't even get fangs anymore. I don't understand why they got rid of them. I liked how Argonains and Khajiit received some attention to detail when they became vampires in vanilla. Now it's like Oblivion all over again. At least they don't end up with pinkish-red human eyes like in Oblivion. No offense, but THAT was just dumb.

No fangs for human or elf vampires is bad enough, but at least it's not AS noticeable, except when they talk, that is.

Wait, I could have sworn this wood elf vampire I spoke
to had fangs. Vampires seriously dont even get fangs. What the heck is that about??(

my vampire is sixy

That's a matter of opinion.

Got rid of the fangs? What? Both Khajiit and Argonians still have fangs

I want to be able to craft crossbows and crossbow bolts.

Vampire fangs we're talking about. All I did was mention someone supposedly confirmed (from earlier in the thread, actually) that at least some races don't get unique vampire fangs anymore, and its now turned into a three-ring circus. If you know better, than go ahead and confirm or debunk it.

Why did they take away vampire fangs?

For the beast races, it was likely because they saw some people complaining about the way they looked, so they removed them. For everyone else, probably time restraints. Either way, like I said before, it doesn't look as if it is going over too well. As a matter of fact, this subject is far more volatile than I imagined it would.

Anyway, for the record, I do feel like it was a slap in the face that they removed all the unique physical features of Argonian and Khajiit vampires and then replaced it with nothing. If they couldn't be bothered to do new assets for vampire Argonians and Khajiit due to time restraints, the least they could have done was leave their vanilla appearance alone for the most part, and maybe just tweak it so the Khajiit fur color doesn't fade like in vanilla. What they could do at the very least now is do the vampire eyes for the two races in a patch, and possibly the fangs as well. I don't expect them to do this, but it would cool things down a bit on the forums.

I agree. It doesn't make sense for them to just give us nothing, especially the non-beast races who didn't even have a problem. It's sad, but this likely wont be fixed with a patch.

^This. People, if you wanna change your face, cure yourself and ask Serana to change you back. It's not that difficult.

That's the one thing that ticks me off about Skyrim. Because they cadred to the younger generation, the handholding that's expected is insane. And them the older generation gets ticked off because the challenge is taken away. And the customizability of your character. Unfortunately, Dawnguard made mistakes in both realms. Some of the quests had very little handholding, but at the same time, made vampires godly to give them more appeal.

The question still remains as to why they'd make vampires unable to do this if they can just cure themselves change back. Also, I heard that only works once, so you'll only be able to alter yourself once. No playing around with hair or warpaint. Also, many people find it stupid that you can just switch back and forth so easily( what ever happend to vampirism being a challenge to cure?) and some rpers will have trouble trying to just justify that. Also, doing what you described is buggy, as once you get vamporism back parts of our face revert to the way they were before.

Long story short: it's not that simple, and it's a hassle. There's no reason vampires can't change their hairstyle for goodness sake.

It added about five seconds to the time it took to change my face and become a vampire again. Just save before becoming a vampire. Once you figure out how it'll change your character's face, it's relatively easy to rectify. Personally, I don't think this is a big deal.

Not being able to customize the castles, on the other hand...

Edit: And what are you talking about with "reverting back"? Other than the normal changes, that's never happened to me.

I agree with you about castles. It's just that I'm a roleplayer, and it's just a jarring experience having to give up vampirism just to change my hairstyle. And like I said: apperently you can only go back and forth between mortal and vampire once, thats what I heard anyway. Either way, there's no reason not to have given us the option. What would be the harm in that? It's just a poor design choice

I hear ya, but I believe that it has to do with the actual vampirism mechanics/face change. In other words, I think they were forced into it due to time constraints.

in what kind of confused spirit changing your hair style or war paint is "working on dead flesh" anyway you just get rid of vampirism, turn off your eyeliner and eye color to correct yourself dirty face glitch and then contract diseas again so its not so important ... Also when i watched the trailer it was about hiding the sun forever allowing vampires to invade skyrim's forest instead of bears. The whole trailer look like a big lie to me after watchin entire vampire faction playtrough. Big disapointment for me, I wish there was more things to do with vampires ( possibility to ally with cave vampires or i dont know so many ideas and so less possibilities finally it seems when looking at your posts guys).
Look like siding with the dawnguard is more interesting after all... well now its too late we know what's on dlc now

Yeah, it's the principle of the matter that makes me most mad. If we can find a workaround for this them they could have as well. Maybe temporarily remove vampirism when we edit our faces and reapply it when we're done? There must have been some solution. Yeah and the whole "blotting out the sun" thing was crap. We're forced to What a rip off. Why is the vampire forced to be the good guy? If that's bugging you go to this thread:

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1388538-blocking-out-the-sun/page__pid__21081024__st__60#entry21081024

We already ruled out any logical reason they wouldn't let this be permanent (They could have made it non-canon in the next game, or made it so that the sun is fixed by the next game) so the only other reasons are poor writing and / or they couldn't be bothered to actually implement this.

Dude i like your arguments, really but i mean ... bethesda dont give a [censored] of what you think thats the whole problem. answer are: mods mods mods mods mods and for jesus allah or what you want sake, prey for mods on next gen consoles

So argonians don't get the fangs when a vampires anymore?

You're probably right, but it just doesn't feel right not at least trying to fix stuff. I'm holding out hope that if they think enough of us care the pay attention.
Edit: I don't want to live in a gaming-world where mods have to save an unfinished video game.

Nope. No one does. Isn't Dawnguard great?!?

ya i just want to change my war paint i hear u can tho
just get cured than change the face and talk to Serana again to become a vampire lord, i hear that might work tho haven't tried it yet