I always wondered where they would get the fuel necessary to run that bomber for more than 10minutes..... bombers take alot of fuel and I don't see how there would be any left, and, if they was, it would have become unusable by now. Just somthing to keep in mind. :confused:

Rangers are tought but so are Legion Veterans. If Caesar did not have brain cancer the Legion would have a chance to at least make it to the Pacific in his life time. NCR has problems. It can barely hold itself together because its so big. Its soldiers are mostly conscripts and they have to be paid. Their taxes are already to high say the people that left NCR to Nevada. NCR has rule that make them treat even the Legion with human dignity no torture. Legion well we all know what they do to people. They have armies of slaves and they use nuclear weapons. Caeser must know alot about war for him to have taken over so may tribes and such a large chunk of south western united States.

Still without caeser the Legion would spasm and die. Its only a matter of time.

That reminds me of when Alexander the Great died (lol not that I was there or anything!). When Alexander died it caused a great civil war where all of his generals fought against eachother riping the empire apart. I'm sure that is what would happen to CL. Ceasar would die and their would be a great war between the factions within CL. In the end CL would be riped apart and cease to be a unified army....they would revert back to tribes (though probly not the same ones).

Yeah you are right,or they can fill it with missiles and bombs and just suicide the plain,that would be fun XD
Boomers cant win the war...maybe NCR is the best bet i can give..numbers,weapons,strategy, and a lot of allys.
And the robots at the Strip are very good bet to win the war,,but you never know maybe a Courier change the war..

unfortunately you are imposing your own restrictions. Although the posited question was perhaps crudely stated it can not be inferred that a free-for-all was intended. Certainly it wouldn't happen in the natural course and is an artifice introduced to support your conclusion. In addition, just as an air force can win a battle but not a war, neither can the artillery. it takes foot soldiers to clear, take and hold territory and no war, including the Great War of 2077—in which nobody won, has ever or will ever be won without them.



Mr. House is at a serious disadvantage without the Courier. Since Benny had already neutered Mr. House by stealing the chip and conspiring with Yes-Man, the absence of the Courier presupposes he has a better chance than Mr. House to take control of the Securitrons, and ultimately the Mojave. However, since is captured by Caesar his chances have been seriously diminished.

The only serious flaw in the current story is why Caesar has not pursued destroying the Securitron Army himself. This has not been adequately examined in the story.

The most probable scenario is that the chip stays with Caesar, Mr. House and Yes-Man are successfully neutered, the true use of the chip dies with Benny. Mr House manages to repel the Legion and maintain the Strip for a time until Caesar destroys the dam and lays siege to the Strip. Without energy or resupply Mr. House is doomed.

Caesar and his Legion reign terror over the Central West until the BoS and the NCR from the West and the BoS and Enclave from the East squeeze him like a teenager's zit.

May I vote for The Lone Wanderer?

Aaaand of course NCR wins this poll because they are the "seemingly good guys". :rolleyes:

I'm still with Legion.
NCR wouldn't be able to win.

- "This is Corporal Jensen reporting, we are under heavy attack and need clarification to attack Legion"
- "Sorry but that we cannot do, just duck and cover."
- "Are you kidding me !?! What good are you for you [censored] [censored] bureaucrat!?!"
- "Hmpf, you're treading the line here son.."
- "[censored] you! We're under heavy attack and need to defend ourselves."
Legion won but Jensen and a few other soldiers escaped.
They were later court marshaled and hanged for disobeying their superior.

.... Yeah... They'd win... As if!

If the Legion does win, Caesar would still die, then the Legion would likely disolve within 10 to 15 years since most of them follow Caesar and not his ideals.

:rofl:

As much as I just want to poke you in the eye, that was a perfect example of what I meant in a previous post.
The NCR is just too bogged down by bureaucratic and inept leadership.

Still, I'd rather die with the image of the two-headed bear flying over my head than live under the rule of a Ky-Zar.
:sick:

I was going to vote for the Legion but then I thought long term not just what's going on in the Mojave. Legion could win the Dam and take NCR without the Courier but like I said in another post. Caesar will die without the Courier the Legion will spasm and die and fall apart like Ronin20 pointed out the same way as Alexander the Great's Empire did.


One of the ways to end the fighting at the dam is to NCR is very big with millions of people. To hold on to that Caeser would have to have every healthy man in is empire conscripted just to police it. Which would mean his Empire East of the colorado would have no one to defend it.

Maybe.
If Caesar don't get someone to take his place after he dies and teaches him what Legion's true purpose actually is then they might fall apart after Caesar dies.
But the endings sliders didn't look too far into the future for the Legion when I completed my Legion run.
So he has the time to teach someone to become him, to be the next Caesar. (That is if they manage to fix his [spoiler spoiler spoilerlicious])

If they don't then I think that Legion will still live on but their culture will change depending on who takes over, Lanius, Vulpes or Lucius.
And depending on which of these three take over, the Legion might become even more dangerous than before.

The poll says "Who would win in the Final Showdown?", which sounds to me like a single fight, rather than a war, but I concede the point. Really only the NCR and Caeser's Legion can be considered, since none of the others could sustain an actual campaign. The Kings and the Powder Gangers are just pathetic, and the Boomers wouldn't care unless the others came within range.

From the Wiki

That was 2240 back before they took over most of California let alone expand into other states and 40 years ago. It's safe to say that their population would be in the millions due to, military expansion, annexation, better living condition due to better farming,new power supplies and new buildings. Bigger army.

Another blow against the Legion, they don't seem to use energy weapons. NCR was making deals to get energy weapons. Caesar does not let people use stimpaks they only use healing powder. Their medical conditions must be very bad "only the strong shall prevail" crap. NCR, I removed a soldiers leg and arm and the Doc said "they will be back at the front in no time, or something like that. I could not help think "he's missing an arm and leg!".

We have not seen much of Caesar Legion lands but I doubt they would be using mine machines like at the quarry and Redding. Why have machines that break down when you can use women and children!
NCR has factories rebuilding cities and turning out guns and ammo while the legion seem to only use man power.

Boomers! They even have little Boomers to replentish. No one gets near them without getting blown up so unless they were silly enough to leave the protection of their artillery, they win.

Only a mater of time before they run out off ammo. They only had a five year supply of missles. They can be taken just it would mean a long siege. Even a place like Navarro fell to NCR. NCR could also bring up its own artillery and bring the pain.

A reoccurring theme in the game is how the NCR is imploding from within. To defeat them, all Caesar's Legion has to do is wait and continue their sneaky operations that only the courier can root out, like . The NCR are fighting on too many fronts by having to deal with virtually every faction.

I'm not saying CL would overrun all of the NCR, but they'd certainly dominate the Mojave.

Hmmmm I just knew you would say that. Anyway I'm pretty sure Caesar's Legion would win because they have the numbers and NCR is spread really thin and their general is an idiot.

Another thought about the Legion: their ideological aversion to chems and stimpaks leaves them at a significant disadvantage.

Also, General Oliver's a bit of an idiot, but then so is Caesar, so it's all square there.

Thats not thinking long term. Legion takes Mojave. Caesar dies. New Caesar comes along, most of their army falls away. NCR seeing the threat the Legion is when it comes to invading deeper into NCR. They send in an army armed to the teeth. NCR did not send in alot of troops because they did not expect to run in to anything like the Legion. Legion will fall apart from internal fighting alot faster then NCR. You don't like your leader in NCR you vote him out. You don't like your leader in the Legion you leave or fight to become the new leader.


Also why are the BoS on the list? They would stay in their bunker till they all died if not for the Courier. Plus they already lost a war against NCR and that was before NCR sent in even more troops to hold back the Legion.

Caesars Legion, They actually have experienced troops, People that are trained from birth to be loyal to the Legion, And if they run away, They would still die (Which enforces them to fight to the death against the enemy.)

So a war of attrition agianst NCR? I have a feeling NCR has a bigger population. Wars were you send in wave after wave against an enemy only workd if you have more people. Plus killing your men because they don't fight or retreat does not help. NCR has more tech then the legion, medical and weapons based. Long term NCR would win. In another post I mentioned how NCR was putting people that lost limbs back to the front. Plus what about the Rangers they seem very experienced. Trained from birth to fight may be good but its better to be trained to think then fight.

The opening cutscene I do believe stated "Sent half of the NCR's military to the Mojave", Whereas Caesar has only a quarter of his Military Force.

Sadly, Legion would've overrun the whole Mojave if it wasn't for The Courier.

NCR is spread too thin, not adequately supplied, lacking support from the west and demoralized. They stand a chance, but not too much.

BoS, although far better equipped, is far far far far far...(goes on like forever) OUTNUMBERED. Helios I should've taught them a lesson. Groups with selective membership are at a disadvantage. Sometimes quantity does triumph over quality.

The Kings are just a backstreet gang.

Boomers might put up a fight but no munition is infinite. Those howitzers are gonna run dry.

The Great Khans are already defeated, NCR pretty much brought them to the brink of collapse. The fact that they're allying with the legion should say something. The weak always tries to stay next to the strong.

Powder Gangers? Man I haven't laughed this hard in a while.

As for House, it all depends on whether he can get the chip or not.