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Who do you all think would win if all of these gangs/teams were to meet up at some point? And the winner would take Mojave' and Vegas.
(Remember this is who would WIN...not who you like better or who you want to win.)
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NCR is the only one there that really has a "modern army". The BoS could possible do it but they don't have the numbers.

The Bos have got the edge with their energy weapons and power armour so they could have a chance at winning

The Mojave chapter of the BoS consists of probably less than 100 people.
I reckon the Legion would've easily wiped them aside on their own.

Sadly, the Legion would win.

General Oliver is a moron blinded by pride who is wasting lives to try and look cooler than the rangers.

Nobody else has the numbers and resources. The BoS is FAR too few in number outside of the midwest, where it's barely the BoS anymore.

I said NCR as well because they have the best equipt army and the numbers to do it.

Ceasar would not win becasue while they have numbers and the drive to win they are attacking the NCR which is entrenched at very defensable positions and are not as well equipt to take on the NCR.

House would not win because his bots lack the strategic thinking and anolysis that human fighters do....as as Mr. House said himself he cannot actively control his bots when they are farther away than Vegas and can only get and send data packets. This is a huge weakness in House's ability to fight, win, and direct any attacks.

All the other factions you mentioned are too small and ill equipt to even talk about. Though the boomers would put up a good fight with their artillery and their "special piece of equipment", they also lack the numbers to win...

Obsidian would release another patch and pwn the lot of'em, no contest.

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Honestly the only 2 that have a chance are the Legion and the NCR armies. They have the numbers and the training, the Khans don't have enough man-power to stand up to either, the powder gangers are just a bunch of escaped criminals causing mayhem but have no real organization. The boomers might be able to hold out for a while but eventually the NCR or the Legion would find a way to over-run them. The Brotherhood would probably put up a decent fight but in all likelihood it would be a last stand as they already got defeated at Helios and lost a large chunk of their force. So again, without the courier it would really come down to the NCR vs Caesars Legion, and possibly Mr. House's securitrons

The NCR is probably the best bet. They've already got a highly defensible position and they have more firepower than the legion (which mostly uses unarmed or melee weapons). Even if the Legion some how managed a victory, they would suffer extremely heavy losses and the NCR would just call in more troops from back west.

The BoS couldn't even hold Helios-1 against the NCR. They might have the tech, but they haven't got the numbers.

It comes down to a choice between the Legion and the NCR, no-on else has anywhere near enough manpower. As to who would win, there are way too many unknown variables to be able to give a meaningful answer. Where's the battle taking place? How secure are the supply lines? Who has the better intel? Are both sides engaged in espionage and counter-espionage? But given the Legion's lack of tactical acumen I'd probably go for the NCR at a push.

NCR no doubt . . They're highly trained, well equipped, battle hardened soldiers and they have the greatest marksmen ever in the first recon division . New California Republic for life!!! (ps I'd vote for president kimbal over Obama any day)

Surely if all the factions are meeting at the same place for a fight, the Boomers would just stop a kilometer or two away with their artillery and blow everyone else to hell.

Mr. House, no contest.

As much as this NCR boy hates to admit it, I think Silent is right.
With proper leadership that could make the best use of the Rangers and Troopers, the NCR would wipe the Mojave with Ky-Zar (yeah, I went there! :celebration: ) and the tribes of New Vegas, provided House is kept in check.

I agree that the BoS simply has far too few numbers for their tech advantage to make the difference. They lost their chance when they abandoned Helios.
The other factions and tribes ... with the possible exception of the Boomers ... are nothing more than moderately armed thugs and could easily be cleaned up once the war is settled.

Oddly, I find the Boomers to be on equal footing with the three major factions; they have a heavily fortified position, a hella kill zone marked out by heavy artillery, a plan that is actually workable and leadership that is fully supported and all on the same page.

In the end, however, providing that the Boomers and House are unable to pull off their respective plans ... I think that the Legion would unfortunately push through to the edge of California. They way everyone is portrayed in the game, that's about what it would take to wake up the leadership of the NCR. By then, though, I'm afraid it would be too late.

Every time I find myself prowling around Hoover Dam, I keep hoping to find myself alone in a stairwell with Oliver. I'm afraid he would suffer an unfortunate "accident". Maybe then, Moore and Hanlon and Hsu could pow-wow and get the NCR military back on track.

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I must be psychic, Col. Martyr, cuz I just knew you'd say that.
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Not without getting his Securitrons upgraded. Sub-machine guns won't do much good against Ranger Vets or the Praetorian Guard.

True, but if you're going to go by whats in the beginning of the game, there are no Ranger Vets in the Mojave. And the Praetorian Guard are Caesars bodyguards, I'd doubt they'd leave Caesars side.

Pre-FO2 Enclave!



They get "added in" normally as the story progresses don't they? (Doesn't matter what side you choose.) However the secutitrons only get upgraded and follow you if you help him or yes man right?

The NCR don't need the Courier to recall their Vets, though. No Courier, no Securiton upgrade for House.

I'm sure House'd just find another human agent to be honest.

Yep, someone like that lovable, trustworthy Benny.
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Bennys a rug on my Tops Presidential Suite floor.

Without the Courier NCR would win. Caesar would die of brain cancer and the Legion would fall apart in years 100 max. Not to say it would be easy for NCR to win out but in time they would.

While I might be biased towards the NCR I have to believe that the ruthlessness and zeal of the Legion would ultimately triumph. The only unknown variable is reinforcement and resupply from California. That could tip the battle.

The same applies to the BoS. They would be my obvious first choice (spears and non energy weapons are pretty useless against EW and PA) but their local ranks have been decimated and the question would also hinge on reinforcement and resupply from California.

Discounting those factors, the legion is the best situated to persevere.

I feel compelled to say that when i used my "emergency radio" to get a NCR Ranger, then brought them to the strip and, for some reason, said ranger started fighting the 5 robot guards at the strips gate the NCR ranger defeated all 5 and still had 1/4 of her health left. That shows that Houses robots would get moped up very quickly by the NCR.

1 NCR Ranger = 5 or more of Houses robots.

Edit: and if house had the upgrade then maybe cut that number in half.

Looks like the NCR wins the vote, but, in 'real' life, I think the Legion would win in the short term.

The NCR relies too heavily on easily-interrupted supply lines; once they run out of bullets and food they'll be unable to sustain a defense. Judging by the items found on their bodies, the Legion live off the land. They are tribals, after all.
The NCR is already plagued by desertion and other morale issues; the Legion are fanatics. Also, it is hinted that while we do not actually see many Legionnaires, there are hordes waiting in the east.

In 'rea'l life, the Legion would move south and east and cut off the NCRs supply lines. The Mojave Outpost, Novac, Primm & Goodsprings don't stand a chance -- if the NCR diverted troops to their protection they would leave the dam undefended.

I doubt the Legion would make further western moves; the NCR would surely halt that. In the end, if the dam was still intact, the NCR would be back in force. After a very long conflict I think they would prevail.

But this is the Fallout world, where war never changes. It's still commanded by madmen & imbeciles. So as it stands, the NCR might win after all. Until that glorious future day when the Great Khans sweep south, that is.

I think Boomers Could win...they are outnumbered but they have the plain so thay can bombar e whole army..and without a anti-air weapon it could be difficult to get it down...