Dr. Zoidberg and his mobile oppression palace.

However, barring Dr. Zoidberg from the contest, the NCR would win. People are more likely to side with them than the Legion (who are seen as vicious marauders by most inhabitants of the Mojave), Mr. House (who nobody really knows), and Benny who is doomed.

Goodsprings would brawl everyone to the ground.

Well, aside from my alter ego in his mobile oppression palace...

I guess the Legion would probably take back the dam and maybe conquer the Mojave.

But then there's the stuff you can say to Legate Lanius to prevent the final fight.
The part about the Legion encountering obstacle after obstacle when invading NCR, which would eventually wear them down.
I think there's some truth to it.

It says they sent its army but you can have more then one army. NCR has millions of people and so could the Legion but NCR has medical supplies, advanced tech like Power armour, then their are the rangers. Most of the Legion I have seen only have machetes. People may hate NCR but they hate the idea of being enslaved by the Legion so worce case senserio, the legion does take Mojave more people would swell the ranks of NCR.

Still Caesar will die, brain cancer. Which means there is a very high chance the Legion will fall apart.

The Legion does'nt think guns are too reliable in combat, So they have machetes as main weapons instead.

*fixed.

Oh and Styles, to the spoiler tag post, I don't fully remember so correct me if I'm wrong but when I did the final quest for NCR

Yep and the Japanese loved to use their samurai swords in combat during WW2, things did not work out to well for them.

Not entirely true. Cass mentions that many traders favor them because they can keep the roads a lot safer than NCR can and that there's barely any raider activity in Legion territory.

I would rather have "some" troops with advanced tech and medical supplies then none like the legion. Hell any firearm is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DzcOCyHDqc, IMO. That gives them the edge. Plus the dam had dozens of them, rangers have night vision and 50.cal weapons.

Little Lamplight would brawl everyone to the ground.

Actually the Legion uses guns at first then as they get closer they switch to appropriate weapons like machete's. (i saw them using Am rifles at the dam on my last playthrough) The legion would probobly win because of the fact that the NCR is already losing between the last battle and now they have only gotten weaker and lost Searchlight, Nipton, Nelson, and Cottonwood to them. The Legion is better troop for troop also and they attack multiple places at one (half goes in the inside and the other half on top). They also took the dam last battle but then walked into a trap because the last Legate wasn't adaptable like Lanuis.
Short Version: The Legion will win because they got stronger as the NCR got weaker.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that in the Fallout Universe there no longer are populations of that size. I mean millions of people even spread over a few states seems a bit steep. I could see NCR having maybe 500,000 citizens in population total, but millions? I'm not familar with all the lore and canon of Fallout, so maybe someone can explain population levels to me in the wasteland.

A few pages back you will see that by 2240 NCR has a population of 700,000 people. That was before NCR took control of the other areas in Fallout 2 like Redding, Vault City and so on. Now add all of California and parts of other states and add 40 years and include much better living conditions through technology. Better living conditions I have not seen the Legion use. They rely on man power and healing powder.

1. Hmm, BOS VS NCR at Helios One ring a bell? If the NCR's cannon fodder have crap weapons they will fall incredibly easy and their soldiers which do have the upper edge like their PA users and rangers will be overrun by irony.
2. Legion uses firearms too yknow. When I fought for the NCR the centurions used Assault Carbines. The thing is that Legion tries to close the distance so that they can switch to a more reliable weapon which does not take valuable time to reload. So Legion do use firearms, in fact, they use better firearms than the regular NCTrooper.
3. Dozens of what? Rangers... Desert Rangers? I don't remember them using the AMR (It is the 50.cal right?).
4. (New argument, yay! :D) The Legion constantly trains in order to stay fit and healthy while Troopers go [censored] prosttutes and drink themselves silly at The Strip. The only soldiers in the NCR I have any respect for is the NCRangers and Desert Rangers, but to them it's the irony of the BOS vs NCR argument again. Quantity>Quality if there's enough of the quantity which Legion has.

Fair enough, though I wonder if such a population is sustainable in the wastes.

Those were'nt Samurai Swords.

Those were Imperial Navy (Shidos? something along those lines.)

EDIT: Nihontō's, My bad.

Also another thing i just thought of is that the Legion was completely defeated at Hoover Dam the first time and managed to have another army ready within 4 years now compare that to the fact that even though they won the NCR was devastated by the losses they did suffer.

1.Point one is a good one but NCR was using guns with their canon fodder legion only give their fodder mechetes if they are lucky. NCR has stimpaks and well trained doctores. Legion uses slaves to make healing powder, slave labour is not something I would want making medical supplys. All they have to do is add some poison.

2. Only the legions best have those weapons. NCRs best have PA and miniguns.

3. During New Vegas Rangers are all over more so as the game advances, piss off NCR you will see more.

4. Trained to fight not think. Modern Western Armies are proof you need solders to think then mindless loyalty.



Still mass attacks with melee weapons vs well armed/supplied troops even out numbered wins.

Keep in mind that athough another army on both sides can be drafted or recruited, these new recruits would be "green" and really never have seen combat. New recruits are much less effective, not as well prepared for battle, and die much quicker than their vetrain counterparts. Send this green army up against a battle hardened group half their size and I'd put my money on the battle hardened vets every time.

Honestly, even if NCR wins over Legion I think that they would have hefty problems from House once he finds another puppet to use, Khans once they regain some strength, fiends, BOS once they stop being whimps and decide to come out and take charge again.
So if the NCR wins I don't see what's suppose to stop them from losing to a different faction.
They make more and more enemies the more they expand.
Legion would put a serious blow on the NCR which other factions would be stupid to not take the opportunity to defeat them.
And remember that we have no idea how many enemies NCR has made over the years of expansion, we only know of some from FO2, FO1 and the one's from New Vegas' area, but what about the enemies they have made in other areas that we've not seen yet?
So IMO in the end NCR might win over several of them but at some point they will fall.

But this is not modern, This is fallout. :toughninja:


Also, Legions "Quality" over NCR's "Quantity"

EDIT: No, They would'nt, With only a few soldiers against ten or twenty Soldiers trained to use a sword, They would die.

NCR weapons made by machines and loyal people.Legion have slaves making there stuff and WW2 also shows slaves don't make weapons all that well for people enslaving you and working you to death.

NCR is the closet to a modern army in the wastes, Legion are going back to Ancient Rome they can't even get an artilery piece to work without the courier.

Where was it stated that the Slaves make the weapons?

The only thing they make is food, They would'nt poison anything because they would not only kill them, But their family.
Striking fear to enforce they don't [censored] around.

The reason they can't get an Howitzer to work, Is because the FIRING mechanism is missing.

You realize you need that right?