[A Dardzz]

How does that work exactly ?

That's the least of what I want to know about his arguments. The Logic has become illogical. Walking like him has not made him walk like us. Alas, this member of the selective has failed.

[Ross]

I'm sorry. This isn't my argument, but this is painful to watch.

who is to say they still have hatred or dont.. thats what i was saying the whole time.. developers will find out if this breaks lore when it releases

If this were the case, this would embody what is wrong with TESO. If the developers aren't building the game around the lore, the game will fundamentally be broken story-wise. This isn't something they can just fix with a patch.

Thanks I try to describe to them but i guess some people are blind and try to prove something as valid

Which leads me to this. TES Lore is TES history. If there is one thing that is not subjective or cannot be changed, it's history. It is not a matter of opinion, no matter how many times you say it. It's established.

[Kirsty Collins]

I'm sorry. This isn't my argument, but this is painful to watch.




If this were the case, this would embody what is wrong with TESO. If the developers aren't building the game around the lore, the game will fundamentally be broken story-wise. This isn't something they can just fix with a patch.




Which leads me to this. TES Lore is TES history. If there is one thing that is not subjective or cannot be changed, it's history. It is not a matter of opinion, no matter how many times you say it. It's established.

You have to scroll all the way to the beginning of the arguement Lore changes because it not Reality its a Lore. also what they know could change by the developers and that the fans can say if the game fails and could change the lore if it fails

[Mashystar]

That's the least of what I want to know about his arguments. The Logic has become illogical. Walking like him has not made him walk like us. Alas, this member of the selective has failed.

your arguement is not logical because the game not base on real facts- its a game not reality

[Glu Glu]

That's the least of what I want to know about his arguments. The Logic has become illogical. Walking like him has not made him walk like us. Alas, this member of the selective has failed.

it can change and the lore can break anytime because its not on real facts but a Lore not on real reality but from a pen and paper

[kristy dunn]

it can change and the lore can break anytime because its not on real facts but a Lore not on real reality but from a pen and paper

Irrelevant, even though its nonsense.
Its not your fictional universe, not your lore, and you dont get to decide what happens in previously uncharted centuries.
The lore has not broken.

'The magical cross is an integration of the worth of mortals at the expense of their spirits. Surround it with the triangle and you begin to see the Triune house. It becomes divided into corners, which are ruled by our brethren, the Four Corners: BAL DAGON MALAC SHEOG. Rotate the triangle and you pierce the heart of the Beginning Place, the foul lie, the testament of the irrefutable-for-a-span. Above them all is the horizon where only one stands, though no one stands there yet. It is proof of the new. It is the promise of the wise. Unfold the whole and what you have is a star, which is not my domain, but not entirely outside my judgment. The grand design takes flight; it is transformed not only into a star but a hornet. The center cannot hold. It becomes devoid of lines and points. It becomes devoid of anything and so becomes a receptacle. This is its usefulness at the end. This is its promise.

The ending of the words is ALMSIVI

The Collective has spoken.

[Kate Schofield]

Irrelevant, even though its nonsense.
Its not your fictional universe, not your lore, and you dont get to decide what happens in previously uncharted centuries.
The lore has not broken.

'The magical cross is an integration of the worth of mortals at the expense of their spirits. Surround it with the triangle and you begin to see the Triune house. It becomes divided into corners, which are ruled by our brethren, the Four Corners: BAL DAGON MALAC SHEOG. Rotate the triangle and you pierce the heart of the Beginning Place, the foul lie, the testament of the irrefutable-for-a-span. Above them all is the horizon where only one stands, though no one stands there yet. It is proof of the new. It is the promise of the wise. Unfold the whole and what you have is a star, which is not my domain, but not entirely outside my judgment. The grand design takes flight; it is transformed not only into a star but a hornet. The center cannot hold. It becomes devoid of lines and points. It becomes devoid of anything and so becomes a receptacle. This is its usefulness at the end. This is its promise.

The ending of the words is ALMSIVI

The Collective has spoken.

I never said i was going to change it or i wanted to. you are still missing the point and going off topic

[Greg Swan]

I never said i was going to change it or i wanted to. you are still missing the point and going off topic

Also i didnt say it was broken yet but when the game comes out the fans will see if it is.

[ShOrty]

Irrelevant, even though its nonsense.
Its not your fictional universe, not your lore, and you dont get to decide what happens in previously uncharted centuries.
The lore has not broken.

'The magical cross is an integration of the worth of mortals at the expense of their spirits. Surround it with the triangle and you begin to see the Triune house. It becomes divided into corners, which are ruled by our brethren, the Four Corners: BAL DAGON MALAC SHEOG. Rotate the triangle and you pierce the heart of the Beginning Place, the foul lie, the testament of the irrefutable-for-a-span. Above them all is the horizon where only one stands, though no one stands there yet. It is proof of the new. It is the promise of the wise. Unfold the whole and what you have is a star, which is not my domain, but not entirely outside my judgment. The grand design takes flight; it is transformed not only into a star but a hornet. The center cannot hold. It becomes devoid of lines and points. It becomes devoid of anything and so becomes a receptacle. This is its usefulness at the end. This is its promise.

The ending of the words is ALMSIVI

The Collective has spoken.

You are always off topic because you cant argue something with both sides

[Lucy]

I have read to the beginning of the argument. It was as nonsensical as it is now. What you're not understanding is that there is no argument to be had. Merari doesn't need to argue both sides, because there's only one. This is not a matter of opinion. It's established lore. History.

[Floor Punch]

Irrelevant, even though its nonsense.
Its not your fictional universe, not your lore, and you dont get to decide what happens in previously uncharted centuries.
The lore has not broken.

'The magical cross is an integration of the worth of mortals at the expense of their spirits. Surround it with the triangle and you begin to see the Triune house. It becomes divided into corners, which are ruled by our brethren, the Four Corners: BAL DAGON MALAC SHEOG. Rotate the triangle and you pierce the heart of the Beginning Place, the foul lie, the testament of the irrefutable-for-a-span. Above them all is the horizon where only one stands, though no one stands there yet. It is proof of the new. It is the promise of the wise. Unfold the whole and what you have is a star, which is not my domain, but not entirely outside my judgment. The grand design takes flight; it is transformed not only into a star but a hornet. The center cannot hold. It becomes devoid of lines and points. It becomes devoid of anything and so becomes a receptacle. This is its usefulness at the end. This is its promise.

The ending of the words is ALMSIVI

The Collective has spoken.

(The Collective has spoken.) So you are saying because you guys have a gang on this site that every thing you say is gold..lol.. interesting ....lol

[Ray]

Vivec is never off-topic.

[Eric Hayes]

I have read to the beginning of the argument. It was as nonsensical as it is now. What you're not understanding is that there is no argument to be had. Merari doesn't need to argue both sides, because there's only one. This is not a matter of opinion. It's established lore. History.

You saying the History is gold? it will never change? it will never fail? is that what you are saying? A fake Lore History never fails? Can you answer that one to me

[Alexis Acevedo]

Vivec is never off-topic.

Your not Vivec are you...lol.. its hard to argue with some one that lives in his own head thinking he is vivec

[Emmie Cate]

• "Theme Park" style flashy quirky artstyle (like WoW) rather than the series' Tolkien fantasy artstyle
  
• Pants-on-its-head stupid lore that retcons several things:

The Ebonheart Pact between the Dunmer and the Argonians is mind-blowingly stupid, if anything the Dunmer would be FORCING the Argonians to fight at the time because they were slaves to the Dunmer, and even if they "abolished" slavery for the puposes of fighting a common ally, don't you think that'd be mentioned SOMEWHERE when the Argonians were complaining about slavery in Morrowind which takes place AFTER THIS GAME?!

"Also, your soul has already been stolen by Molag Bal, which is the reason you can come back from death over and over again, and the starting plot is that you're fighting Molag Bal to get your soul back from him".....wow, so you're saying Molag Bal has the power to steal everyones soul yet he seems to be having trouble taking over the world?

• Its nothing but a cash-grab on the MMO market

"Not all provinces are included in their entirety; Zenimax Online is keeping large areas inaccessible to save them for use as expansion content. Nonetheless, every major area is represented to some extent." Thats blantantly telling us they're releasing the game unfinished.

"Recreateing the freedom Elder Scrolls players expect within the World of Warcraft-style mechanics Zenimax Online is using for this MMO would be impossible without changing the way that players interact with the world." This is telling us its a WoW clone.

• Uses the Hero Engine, an engine that has only two absolutely terrible MMOs under its belt which are BOTH WoW clones.
  
• Raises a middle-finger to everyone whos played the past Elder Scrolls games by retconning several well-established political relations in the universe.

The only way I could EVER not be pissed off about this game is if it was declared by Bethesda to be non-canon or to take place in a parallel universe.

no, i agree, it doesnt make much since, time line is fuzzy too i am getting diffrent story from every one, wtf has zenimax been working of for the last 5 yrs.... and did working on this game take away from skyrim in some ways?

why are their alliences at all? just cuz it's an mmo doesnt mean u have to have alliences set up like world of warcaft does...

why change the way the game play to a more world of warcraft roll base gameplay? why not keep the hack and blast first person targeting?

why classes?

wtf?

[Marlo Stanfield]

Your not Vivec are you...lol.. its hard to argue with some one that lives in his own head thinking he is vivec

Did I say that?
Are you putting words in my mouth again?
No.
You dont get to do that.

Preaching Vivec does not make me Vivec, it makes me a Selective.
Unless of course youre talking of the walking ways, which number six.

[james kite]

You saying the History is gold? it will never change? it will never fail? is that what you are saying? A fake Lore History never fails? Can you answer that one to me

Yes, yes indeed.

[keri seymour]

lol .. wow you need to get out of your gamer box if you think Lore history can not fail compair to reality. you are a bunch of interesting people..lol

[CYCO JO-NATE]

Did I say that?
Are you putting words in my mouth again?
No.
You dont get to do that.

Preaching Vivec does not make me Vivec, it makes me a Selective.
Unless of course youre talking of the walking ways, which number six.

lol.. yeah you been putting words in my mouth that i didnt say huh? lol

[Chris Cross Cabaret Man]

You saying the History is gold? it will never change? it will never fail? is that what you are saying? A fake Lore History never fails? Can you answer that one to me

Yes! That is exactly what I'm saying!

How can history possibly change? By definition it can't.

[Benito Martinez]

Yes! That is exactly what I'm saying!

How can history possibly change? By definition it can't.

Unless your Vivec...but let's avoid that tangle.

[Natalie J Webster]

Yes! That is exactly what I'm saying!

How can history possibly change? By definition it can't.

Sure it can. clabus wasnt the first European to discover america, the viking.. there is history change. again u changing the subject. im not talking about reality history im talking about a fake lore history what this arguement is based around.. can a FAKE Lore history change and fail by people that develope it?

[Michelle davies]

Sure it can. clabus wasnt the first European to discover america, the viking.. there is history change. again u changing the subject. im not talking about reality history im talking about a fake lore history what this arguement is based around.. can a FAKE Lore history change and fail by people that develope it?

K man I apologize if English is your second language or something but could you please put more effort into making your posts more legible?

[xemmybx]

K man I apologize if English is your second language or something but could you please put more effort into making your posts more legible?

You guys avoiding the question just proves me right ..lol

[Love iz not]

K man I apologize if English is your second language or something but could you please put more effort into making your posts more legible?

can a FAKE Lore history change and fail by developers of this game?