[Carlos Rojas]

• "Theme Park" style flashy quirky artstyle (like WoW) rather than the series' Tolkien fantasy artstyle
  
• Pants-on-its-head stupid lore that retcons several things:

The Ebonheart Pact between the Dunmer and the Argonians is mind-blowingly stupid, if anything the Dunmer would be FORCING the Argonians to fight at the time because they were slaves to the Dunmer, and even if they "abolished" slavery for the puposes of fighting a common ally, don't you think that'd be mentioned SOMEWHERE when the Argonians were complaining about slavery in Morrowind which takes place AFTER THIS GAME?!

"Also, your soul has already been stolen by Molag Bal, which is the reason you can come back from death over and over again, and the starting plot is that you're fighting Molag Bal to get your soul back from him".....wow, so you're saying Molag Bal has the power to steal everyones soul yet he seems to be having trouble taking over the world?

• Its nothing but a cash-grab on the MMO market

"Not all provinces are included in their entirety; Zenimax Online is keeping large areas inaccessible to save them for use as expansion content. Nonetheless, every major area is represented to some extent." Thats blantantly telling us they're releasing the game unfinished.

"Recreateing the freedom Elder Scrolls players expect within the World of Warcraft-style mechanics Zenimax Online is using for this MMO would be impossible without changing the way that players interact with the world." This is telling us its a WoW clone.

• Uses the Hero Engine, an engine that has only two absolutely terrible MMOs under its belt which are BOTH WoW clones.
  
• Raises a middle-finger to everyone whos played the past Elder Scrolls games by retconning several well-established political relations in the universe.

The only way I could EVER not be pissed off about this game is if it was declared by Bethesda to be non-canon or to take place in a parallel universe.

[Fanny Rouyé]

TESO doesn't retcon political relationships any more than Skyrim does. We knew next to nothing about the interregnum, and I'm curious to learn about the reasons for the alliances.

Also, Morrowind takes place about 800 years after TESO. Try to think 800 years back who your countries' allies were back then. It didn't even exist yet? Oh boy.

[gemma]

TESO doesn't retcon political relationships any more than Skyrim does. We knew next to nothing about the interregnum, and I'm curious to learn about the reasons for the alliances.

Also, Morrowind takes place about 800 years after TESO. Try to think 800 years back who your countries' allies were back then. It didn't even exist yet? Oh boy.

Then give me one single solitary reason why the Argonians AREN'T enslaved. The Dunmer (and all the other races at the time) see the Beast races as nothing but farm animals, especially considering that during the 2nd era EVERY providence had slavery of the Beast Races.

Also, I think its funny how you didn't address the other very valid points I made as to how stupid the plot is.

[Jack Walker]

The lore is easy to explain and works just fine, the biggest gripes are the look and combat style. The colors are too bright and the combat is hotbar action based combat and not real-time action based combat everything else is all speculation we know almost 100% nothing about this game so these are all shots in the dark, even the small things we do know are still unknown to the point where we can't even make a close guess about .

[Dragonz Dancer]

Then give me one single solitary reason why the Argonians AREN'T enslaved. The Dunmer (and all the other races at the time) see the Beast races as nothing but farm animals, especially considering that during the 2nd era EVERY providence had slavery of the Beast Races.

Also, I think its funny how you didn't address the other very valid points I made as to how stupid the plot and new lore is.

All those points have been addressed multiple times on this board. Try searching around some of the other threads.

As for the Argonians? Who says they aren't slaves? Who says they are in any condition to even have much of a say in anything? Black Marsh at this time is under the power of multiple Imperial Warlords from the last Empires Collapse, Bandit Kings, Slavers, and the various heavy presence of the Dunmer as their slave trade is booming. Practically at the Zenith of the Slave trading. The Argonians could be controlled by the Hist or persuaded by the Hist. Have you tried explaining these things to yourself within the Lore?

Besides the gameinformer article says the alliance is tentative. It could be purely out of the sense of threats from the other powers rising at this time as well.

[CHangohh BOyy]

Then give me one single solitary reason why the Argonians AREN'T enslaved. The Dunmer (and all the other races at the time) see the Beast races as nothing but farm animals, especially considering that during the 2nd era EVERY providence had slavery of the Beast Races.

Also, I think its funny how you didn't address the other very valid points I made as to how stupid the plot is.

There are several thread about the "problems" with the lore that have a pletora of suggestions to explain the alliances. I can't repeat them all here, you'll have to look for yourself.

I didn't address you other points because I don't have anything to say about them.

[Chenae Butler]

Could you change the thread name to "Why I am Mad" please? I don't like people that try to speak for me. And the Ebonheart pact doesn't break the lore, neither is it "mind-blowingly stupid". Though I do agree with you on the art style. I only hope that textures and such are kept client side so they are mod-able. With almost every other MMO this would be unthinkable, and accusations of "hax" would be thrown at any who use mods, but with TES's legacy of dev mod supports, small scale texture changes may be a possibility. I hope.

[Noely Ulloa]

• "Theme Park" style flashy quirky artstyle (like WoW) rather than the series' Tolkien fantasy artstyle
  
• Pants-on-its-head stupid lore that retcons several things:

The Ebonheart Pact between the Dunmer and the Argonians is mind-blowingly stupid, if anything the Dunmer would be FORCING the Argonians to fight at the time because they were slaves to the Dunmer, and even if they "abolished" slavery for the puposes of fighting a common ally, don't you think that'd be mentioned SOMEWHERE when the Argonians were complaining about slavery in Morrowind which takes place AFTER THIS GAME?!

"Also, your soul has already been stolen by Molag Bal, which is the reason you can come back from death over and over again, and the starting plot is that you're fighting Molag Bal to get your soul back from him".....wow, so you're saying Molag Bal has the power to steal everyones soul yet he seems to be having trouble taking over the world?

• Its nothing but a cash-grab on the MMO market

"Not all provinces are included in their entirety; Zenimax Online is keeping large areas inaccessible to save them for use as expansion content. Nonetheless, every major area is represented to some extent." Thats blantantly telling us they're releasing the game unfinished.

"Recreateing the freedom Elder Scrolls players expect within the World of Warcraft-style mechanics Zenimax Online is using for this MMO would be impossible without changing the way that players interact with the world." This is telling us its a WoW clone.

• Uses the Hero Engine, an engine that has only two absolutely terrible MMOs under its belt which are BOTH WoW clones.
  
• Raises a middle-finger to everyone whos played the past Elder Scrolls games by retconning several well-established political relations in the universe.

The only way I could EVER not be pissed off about this game is if it was declared by Bethesda to be non-canon or to take place in a parallel universe.

You speak for yourself and only yourself. No one voted you as spokesman of this island, chief.

[Sami Blackburn]

"Not all provinces are included in their entirety; Zenimax Online is keeping large areas inaccessible to save them for use as expansion content. Nonetheless, every major area is represented to some extent." Thats blantantly telling us they're releasing the game unfinished.

So your idea would be to throw every bit of the game out to players on day one with no plans for future content ?

[Lindsay Dunn]

Could you change the thread name to "Why I am Mad" please? I don't like people that try to speak for me. And the Ebonheart pact doesn't break the lore, neither is it "mind-blowingly stupid".

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[Jeneene Hunte]

So your idea would be to throw every bit of the game out to players on day one with no plans for future content ?

Yeah, and you know, do that thing, you know, that thing you don't see in games anymore...ummmmm original content?

[Vahpie]

• Uses the Hero Engine, an engine that has only two absolutely terrible MMOs under its belt which are BOTH WoW clones.

Which two?

[Charlotte Henderson]

Which two?

Only one I know of is the SW:TOL which supposedly used an alpha version of the engine or something and Bioware decided to modify the alpha engine themselves. TESO will be using the fully polished Hero engine. Whether thats a good thing idk.

[Stat Wrecker]

Which two?

Faxion Online and ToR

[Crystal Clarke]

• "Theme Park" style flashy quirky artstyle (like WoW) rather than the series' Tolkien fantasy artstyle
  
• Pants-on-its-head stupid lore that retcons several things:

The Ebonheart Pact between the Dunmer and the Argonians is mind-blowingly stupid, if anything the Dunmer would be FORCING the Argonians to fight at the time because they were slaves to the Dunmer, and even if they "abolished" slavery for the puposes of fighting a common ally, don't you think that'd be mentioned SOMEWHERE when the Argonians were complaining about slavery in Morrowind which takes place AFTER THIS GAME?!

Like others have said, the alliances work fine. Things like racism change over time, which is the Dunmer and the Argonians hate each other now. Besides, isn't it only House telvanni doing it by morrowind.

"Also, your soul has already been stolen by Molag Bal, which is the reason you can come back from death over and over again, and the starting plot is that you're fighting Molag Bal to get your soul back from him".....wow, so you're saying Molag Bal has the power to steal everyones soul yet he seems to be having trouble taking over the world?

None of the Daedric Princes can just walk into Mundus easily, even with the Dragonfires unlit. Mehrunes Dagon took his time entering Tamriel. But tricking people into giving away their souls is what the malovelant daedric princes do all the time, see Molag Bal's quest in Skyrim.

"Not all provinces are included in their entirety; Zenimax Online is keeping large areas inaccessible to save them for use as expansion content. Nonetheless, every major area is represented to some extent." Thats blantantly telling us they're releasing the game unfinished

Its not unfinished. That would mean they haven't completed it. The way I see it, they are keeping some of the provinces so they can use them for different stories later on, like Northrend for the Wotlk. It allows them to expand without simply having new events just pop up out of nowhere.

[Amiee Kent]

Well, LotRO worked and was a lot of fun, but they can't follow the same model.

There hasn't been a serious LotR game for years, and people were starved (No, battle for middle earth isn't a serious game).

And the devs really nailed the FEEL of LotR. It felt like I'd imagined ME would feel.


This is going to be a lot harder. If they try the WoW-clone with entire lands stuffed in a zone, this will fail. Hard. If they follow the Mines of Moria example for the entireity of the game, it could succeed.

Its just going to have to be VAST and exploration will have to work spot on.

Even the Star Wars MMO is hemmoraging players because its a step-backwards wow-clone.

I love TES more than any other gaming world, and this is the one I've been waiting for since I first played Daggerfall. I'm crushingly disappointed in how they chose to approach it, but I'll forgive them if they nail it such that when I log in, I feel like I'm in the world of Tamriel. Not Morrowind stuffed into Stranglethorne Vale. Immersed.

But, one thing I cannot stomach, is forcing the player to exist entirely in third person. That is usually my "feature" that means I'm going to skip that game. Many don't care I'm sure, but it means a ton to me for immersion.

Fingers crossed.

[Eddie Howe]

We just don't know enough about the game to make such huge assumptions. Just relax and wait several months for more information before you completely give up on the game. If after you are more informed you still think it will be a bad game then simply ignore and wait for the next Bethesda title. Meanwhile other TES and MMO fans will be exploring Tamriel in TESO. As far as you specific points go I will say that we don't know what the political reasons are for the Argonians willingness to fight alongside the Dunmer. Maybe simply to buy time in order to build trust with them and strength within themselves for a quick knife in the back. Who knows? Who can know the mind of Molag Bal. Maybe he keeps sending back fallen warriors so as to continue the strife while his plans mature or until the situation developes in the way he wants for his final conquest. Who can know? I plyed SWTOR for a month which uses the Hero engine; which was heavily modified by Bioware; and it seemed to run and work fine. I am sure that ZO will make their own modifications to the engine to achieve what they desire so you really can't judge anything from the fact that the Hero engine is being used. Finally all MMOs leave some content out so as to have expansions and provide a long life to an MMO. That is just standard and expected. I am actually happy that they didn't just start with four provinces and slowly add another province per expansion like LOTRO. Just be patient and wait to see how the information developes. There will be plenty of time for the gnawing and gnashing of teeth when you are better informed.

[Rachie Stout]

A lot can change in 800 years. Hell, a lot can change in 50.

I don't see English people moaning about William the Conquerer anymore... Why would Argonian slaves in Morrowind talk about events long passed?

[FABIAN RUIZ]

i dont like the art style and the combat system. when more info comes to light iam always able to change my mind at this point i dont like what iam seeing, but i might change my mind down the road

[Damian Parsons]

stop mentioning the ebonheart pact "problem" its been discussed and it is mostly lore friendy, it just hurts your credability.

[Amy Smith]

I'm the complete opposite of mad. I couldn't be happier.

[Sanctum]

"Also, your soul has already been stolen by Molag Bal, which is the reason you can come back from death over and over again, and the starting plot is that you're fighting Molag Bal to get your soul back from him".....wow, so you're saying Molag Bal has the power to steal everyones soul yet he seems to be having trouble taking over the world?

• Its nothing but a cash-grab on the MMO market

"Not all provinces are included in their entirety; Zenimax Online is keeping large areas inaccessible to save them for use as expansion content. Nonetheless, every major area is represented to some extent." Thats blantantly telling us they're releasing the game unfinished.

1. Daedric princes can claim dead being's souls. Afaik there is no case where they just directly take a living soul over. So if that is the reason given for respawning, it makes sense within lore even if it is an incredibly cheap cop out. That said I haven't read that anywhere else. In fact you could argue this has happened before, in Mankar Camoran's Paradise.

2. Leaving areas out for future expansions makes perfect sense for an MMORPG; obviously it is a monetizing technique, but remember both Bethesda and ZOS are looking to maximise profit. What harms any MMOs profits? Longevity. What will help counter that? Preplanning good expansions. This in no way means they are releasing an unfinished game. Actually creating future expansions, including them on disk/in the download and not allowing you access, that would be selling an unfinished game.(See Street Fighter x Tekken). It is a fine line, but it is there.

[+++CAZZY]

I'm the complete opposite of mad. I couldn't be happier.

What are you happy about? i am curious explain,Good that you are looking forward to the game. just curious.

[Laura Wilson]

So your idea would be to throw every bit of the game out to players on day one with no plans for future content ?

Really frustrating when the concepts of theme park games start to backlash isn't it?

[brenden casey]

I forgot to mention that I am not mad. It is silly to become mad from a position of ignorance and at this point we are all fairly ignorant about TESO. I may become mad as I learn more but for now I simply intrigued and interested.