The PC sitting behind me is incapable of playing Oblivion, nevermind Skyrim. Hell, it can't even play FO3. Same goes for my laptop. Neither is 5 years old. My consoles can play them all.

I never said everyone can get a new PC each year. But if we did, we'd have capes. There are many things the vanilla game lacked because the current consoles (which are very old) can't do them. That's just a fact. Why do you think we lost pieces of armor, etc. It's becaues 5 year old consoles can't handle them.

I'm not blaming console users, it's hardly your fault. But that is the fact. You can believe it or just continue calling Bethesda lazy. Your choice.

I don't want to goin' into this; i've said a "modest pc" because its the truth; perhaps your pc was not assembled with the purpose of gaming at that time.

I work with these stuff and i know that a pc with a modest Radeon 3870,a modest dual core 2,4 ghz and 2 gb of memory was better of consoles even then and with an affordable expense.

The laptop of course are different from desktop,and 5 years ago were different from our modern machines,but still now you've to choose it carefully if you want an enjoyable experience in gaming.

It's not just capes.... better face mods are always the first ones to be ported to BETH games. (excluding nvde mods)

Yet BETH, with Skyrim, made making good faces even harder to do. It makes no sense.

If I was going to make another game in a series and wanted to please the consumer, I'd look to some of the most downloaded mods as a way to see what people might want. There has to be more than a couple that the general public would think are good to include in a game.

BETH always talks big on the modding community, and yet, doesn't seem to take away any lessons from them.

I would love to have cloaks in the game, even if they had no enchantments or any function other than looking realistic and nice. Or limit them to just element resistance stats. I would much prefer recieving a cloak that had NO stat bonus and the sigil of the hold I just became Thane of than having the Jarl say "Here take this sword to signify your new status." Thanks for the Iron sowrd of Minor Burning, I'll just throw this in the trash pile right next to you.

It would add a sort of collecting aspect to the game and give us a reason to become a Thane or a noble, etc.

Also, the capes that are attached to armor are stupid (Nightingale, Hammerfell Garb), ending at the waist. Fur cloaks that are designed for cold weather and harsh elements usually go to the ankles.

Putting it like that, it makes more sense. For a console, XBox and PS3 are boh getting on in years.


I personally don't consider Bethesda to be lazy. Sure they left stuff out that they cold've put in, but that doesn't mean they're lazy. And yes, I realise that that comment asn't actually directed at me, I just thought I'd address it anyway.


This is something I didn't take into account. I don't think either my computer or my laptop were created with gaming in mind.

Well,a computer has to be assembled purposely for gaming if this is the main use you want to do with it.

You can't speak generally of "a pc" or a "laptop" to be more clear.

And when you buy a game verify that this meet the recommended spec or near it,not the minimum.

But as i've said above,this don't concern specifically the "problem" discussed here,and a simple cape isn't a issue for console hardware.

Indeed i think that its a strict choice of the developers to include only several capes in the game and only with some complete armor/robe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R2aW03pwL0 is why there are no capes;

not true, well it is for capes, but no one wants capes, we want cloaks (the difference is only slight but it changes the entire reason for having them, capes are for the village idiot cloaks are for travelers). anyway, cloaks wrap around your body and provide cover from the elements (biting cold, stinging sand storms, ect) so they would make perfect sense in a harsh land where the unwary could die from the cold alone...and no fantasy story is complete without a cloak or two

Even simple capes, nothin too lavish, would make people happy. Hell, I wouldn't even be bothered if there was little reaction fom the cape to movement and environmental factors but that's just me.


With all this talk of superheroes and computers, I almost forgo we were talkin about Skyrim, lol.

"Will make", no...."have made"

My "simple" indeed was referred to the fact that a cape isn't so difficult to do technically,even for our current consoles. Of course with some "limit" towards best specified pc.

I respect your opinion,but you can't use the word "people" to justify your tastes and preferences.
A lot of people ask for "missing" things to be included here; of course i hope that everyone would be pleased,bu i'm even aware that its impossible.

Console players have to bear in mind that our platforms are "least-favoured" in some aspects that can improve a Tes game and let you put in everything you want (modding)
however things can change in the future,who knows.

In that case, I meant like minded people. I know I don't speak for everyone, but with the response this thread has had and the support the idea has recieved I would think it was safe to say "people". I'm not using it to justify my tastes or preferences. For one thing I may be in support of this idea but if it doesn't get implemented then it's no skin off my nose.

Games like red dead seem to manage having clothes that moves. EG the duster coat moves realistically.

This should probably be the reason; as you know the northern part of skyrim is nearly always blowing with a blizzard gale, and having a cape that doesnt flap in the wind would be totally "unimmersive"
Although i've seen a flapping cloth somewhere near winterhold or something, perhaps its hard to put in on a character or something. Not to mention problems with weapons. Might be clipping issues.

The cloth markers between Winterhold and Saarthal. I'm sure I've seen these flutter without any wind, though.

well to design them in a fluttery way i dont think so, might take to much to have several capes fluttering around. as they combined pants and chest in this one to let them render more people. I think the only way your going to see capes is Nightingale style.

Personally i dont care nor do i want them for very specific reasons:

they never look right. in Fallout NV you had the ranger armor wich comprised of a large duster among other things. whilst this was cool looking if you were just standing still anytime you tried to move or sneak it instantly looked bad and started to clip.

this is because when the clothes are designed the bottom of cloaks/coats/etc. are "attached" a certain distance from the model. this looks good whiles your standing, but anytime your doing something crazy like walking, running, or sneaking it does not look real. you will notice that the hammerfell garb cape and the nightingale are sort of short to minimise this problem.

we have clipping issiues on so many simple bits of armor and you think they should rush in capes?

They haven't and they're not going to fix clipping, so yes.

I might be missing some vital imformation here, but can't they just reskin armour and clothes that have attached capes?

You're hilarious. Besides the magic and dragons yeah. Oh, and do remind me which knights wore samurai armor and carried katanas again?

I want codpieces. Why can't I customize my characters so that they have giant, bulging codpieces? It's so cold in Skyrim, just about anyone would want an obnoxious, ebony/steel/etc. protruberance lined with fur jutting forth from their crotch. It wouldn't take that much work by Beth to get it done. It's so versatile it could even be made a perk in the Speech tree. The bigger the convexity, the better prices you get from Drevis Neloren at the College.

Now you've read the most trivial complaint, with capes coming in a close second.

We really need to start distinguishing between capes and cloaks here. CLOAKS are tough garments worn by adventurers and travelers alike for their quality of providing protection from the weather and absorbing the occasional sword stroke. CAPES are cheesy pieces of colored cloth worn by the superheroes of the imaginatively-brain-dead cartoonists of Marvel and DC. What we need are some CLOAKS such as the ones worn by Aragorn in LOTR and Sean Bean in Game of Thrones.


Reminds me of this and I couldn't resist; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEpzeAc_7I0

But giant flying lizards, magic, and undead are logical, your argument makes sense. Just kidding that was just the perfect time to say that.
I said more options in LIGHT ARMOR not mage tobes and hoods.

No need for condescending stereotyping. Not all cape wearers are superheroes. A poncho is classed as a cape, for example. Roman Catholic Clergy wear capes know as Ferraiolo, etc.


Mage hoods with Light Armour enchantments, then

Yeah I probably should have added one of these at the end.