How does it not customize your speed? This is like saying your alteration skill goes up no matter what because whenever you walked on water it went up. You actively have to choose to sprint, just like you actively have to choose to cast a heal spell or cast walk on water, or pick the lock. Some skills are so common that most everyone will use them to some degree like athletics or speachcraft so they will almost always go up and eventually if you play long enough will be at 100, though you don't have to take the perks that make it awesome.

I mean sure you don't have to sprint ever and you don't have to talk to NPCs but no matter the archetype of the player chances are he will do those things sporadically through the game. There are some skills in the game you can't easily fully stop, but you can slow them down and you can choose to avoid the perks associated with the skills. Look at block even if you have a 100 block someone who takes the improve block perks will absorb a couple hundred % more damage, the same thing would apply here. Even if you get you acrobatics/athletics combined skill to 100 without the perks you only jump X height with the perks you jump 2.5 times higher.

But no they decided to remove an entire style because people out there might play their game how they want too play it and not follow the tracks like a good little closed world gamer. Too bad this is supposed to be an open world game, but hey I'm given 3 options when I bump into the guards escorting the prisoner that is open right, I mean you can't expect them to have any option you could come up with available that would be silly and too open.

Broke a quest? How? Which specifically? I'm really struggling to see how this would even be possible.

what if I don't want to level up my athletics and acrobatics????

should I stop moving ??!!

yah now they are called stamina and sprint, deal with it.

you can break the quest where you hunt three hunters in a fort for the keys to get out of the fort (i forgot the name ) if you used some exploit/glitch/a crap load of enchantments/ect but it is impossible to do it with normal acrobatics (100 or less) its his friends fault, and this is the only quest that comes to mind, i dont think there is another one

Anyone can sprint... and stamina (I assume) just determines how long you can sprint for. So what determines how fast my character is physically capable of running?

Note the physically capable part - that does NOT include armour. If Usain Bolt and I both wore matching outfits, Usain Bolt would almost certainly be faster. In fact, even if Usain Bolt wore chainmail, he'd almost certainly be faster. He's just naturally faster than I am.

How do I make a character who's naturally faster than other characters in Skyrim?

Definitely need the ability to run really fast and jump really high. If its not in, Sky will be dumbed down.

Running and jumping arent really skills as such...any able bodied person can do it
Its not as if we were doing gymnastics in oblivion, it was just a higher jump, no skill involved....
Replacing them with skills you would have to learn is a good thing in my opinion, they should be governed by a stat, stamina is probably the only one that fits now strength and agility are gone...or a perk

The fort ones, but KOTN there was a bypass, where all you had to do was jump over a fence to get to the relic, instead of the catacombs. Alot of quests like this...

Know more about running/jumping? Its definitely a skill IRL. It just leveled wrong in previous games. We still need the ability to run really fast and jump really high.

I'm going to miss these two skills. Whether I was playing MW or OB I was playing a game and running faster than a horse and jumping like the incredible hulk reinforced that. I understand those who want more realism, I just wish there was a happy medium between us. Thus far Skyrim doesn't seem to be finding that medium.

I also hope I don't have to spend half of my available perks on things like increased running speed/carrying capacity and other such things that just increased naturally with stats to get a character that's acceptable for my play style.

That doesn't sound like anything broke. That sounds like a certain character had the necessary skills to avoid a great deal of headache. Where's the problem? Should we remove sneak because now you don't need to fight everything you come across?

Maybe if Beth is dead set on preventing people from "breaking" the linear quests they've set up, they should take more care in designing the level so jumping a fence isn't an option.

Simply not true. Not without glitching your acrobatics.
And even if, so what?
Who cares?
Afraid of options in an open game?

Encumbrance is tied to Stamina, so we won't have to use up perks for carrying capacity.

I think people who play characters like that is a bit stupid... just my 2 cents.

they dind't want infinite cheetah running so now it's controlled by sprint which is in-turn controlled by how much emphasis you put into Stamina.

they didn't want moon gravity jumping because it 1. was stupid 2. resulted in many exploits

That's good, hadn't heard that and only had FO3's perk list as a guess for how Skyrim perks would work.

Ok, so because you personally think it's stupid to have fast character, noone else should be allowed to play that way?

I think magic is stupid. Should they get rid of that?

I disagree on the stupid.
In fact, I find pointlessly running around without ever getting better at it stupid, and I find an open world with insurmountable barriers forcing you down a linear path even stupidier.
I contest #2 wholly.
There were no exploits. None. There were choices. This is not halo.

Now we have regressed back to http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/1910747.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mylot.com/w/photokeywords/mario%2Bbros%2B3.aspx&h=288&w=320&sz=17&tbnid=zuyESWA0617AzM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=103&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmario%2B1%2Bnes%2Bpic%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=mario+1+nes+pic&docid=iCE6hfw_hoLJGM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hR4-ToDGHcfo-gbSsojHAg&ved=0CB4Q9QEwAg&dur=80.
I dont think its progress.

I'll just paste what I said to the other guy who said something similar:



1. Stupid by what? Earth standards? This is a fantasy game. Use your imagination...
2. Exploits? In a non-linear game? ...i'm assuming by "exploit" you mean people doing what they want as opposed to what the game wants you to do... which happens to be one of the main features of a non-linear series like TES.

Because leveling a skill by running and jumping 10 million times is just stupid. There might be perks that increase movement speed.

Making runspeed and jumping height default is NOT the solution. Nor is having a perk which gives a sudden boost to either, half way through the game.

Are a bit stupid*

Acrobatics and Athletics was ridiculous to the point of silliness in Oblivion. With a high skill and some skooma, this is possible:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKT0RDXap5w

Thats lore kosher.

Why no love? Because I hated the nightmare of having to balance my heavy armored chars every X time in order not to make then ridiculously fast or jumpy only because I run or jump frequently.

Good riddance to them. I hope the new system is more consistent and makes more sense.