The bounty wont stick, but if you attack someone like say, the Thalmor unprovoked by them, even after you kill them all and all witnesses are gone, the guards in a hold will attack you.

also in fallout, if u kill a group UNSEEN then u didnt piss off said group. U could be a ncr and sandman kill people in their sleep unseen or snipe an entire town and u would still ne on good terms as long as u wasnt seen. Just a mechanic like howu can kill someone intown unseen but if u are in a guards agro range that guarf would automatically come to ur direction if the action was seen but not urself.

Ask your self this, why it important to experiance the ramifcations of your actions in a game, in the game itself, then you will undersatd why the cutscenes are BS.

But to make it clear, it's becuase actions that dont happen in game, mean nothing, becuase they are not in the game itself.
Factually wrong.

Go look up the quest list of Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim, the VAST majority of quests have little to do with world shattering forces, most are just people who need something found, stolen, or someone killed, and the quests that do involve the Daedra, are always made in such a way that they stay very secret, or affect nothing outside of the local area.

Fallout: New vegas on the other hand is all about doing stuff that saves entire settlements, restoring power to the wasteland, and bringing all the factions of the land togeather into some sort of super army to fight another one of the factions.

-Fallout has always been about changing huge swaths of land by destroying villiages/townss, and making alliances that form into new nations.
-Elder Scrolls is about preventing the world from being destoryed and returning things to the status-quo for the most part.

Exactly. Sure ES games may have like 30 fetch quests or kill someone quests, that may only take 5 mins each, where as on the other hand, you may have 10 side quests in Fallout that can all take over an hour or two to complete.

The dialog tree is the thing that needs to be fixed in the next ES game, and give us more choice. I was playing NV for a long time put over 100 hours into it, then went back to Skyrim, that I had 40 hours into, and then remembered how boring the dialog system was and thats why i came to write this post.

Its like night and day. I forgot how boring the dialog system was in skyrim since i had not played the game in months.

Oh.. So you just like not having a better game.. Since you are happy with the product, you wouldn't want it any better?

There are tons of things to fix in skyrim, the dialog tree is just the beginning. They also need to fix the hotswaping of magic. There has to be a better way of doing it instead of always having to pause the game to switch out major, but that is a entirely different disscussion.

I completly agree.. It is far from a perfect game.. I don't think I even given the title "perfect", to many games anyway.. But hopefully in the next one.. The game will appeal to a gamer who rathers the game to be hardcoe than casual..

The thing that I am excited for is the next fall out game. If we can get the FO system but with skyrim graphics, and if its really set in boston. it could be the best RPG ever made.
The only thing they could fix in FO to make it PERFECT would be to make the controls like a FPS (COD lets say) instead of the awkwardness it is now but with all the RPG elements of fall out.

No way, my man. Those are side quests you are talking about. When talking about what games are all about, you need to talk about the main quest, as that is why they're called "main" quests. Because they're "mainly" about that quest.

Arena plot: Saving an Emperor from Jagar Tharn the Usurper, pretty grand.

Daggerfall: Recovering the Mantella from Aetherius and deciding the fate of the Numidium, pretty grand.

Morrowind: Reincarnated hero of prophecy defeats Dagoth Ur and his servants. And becomes immortal. And in this process causing the Tribunal to lose their divinity. Grand.

Oblivion: Defeat a daedric prince and his hellish hordes by having your friend, the last of the Septim line, and the Emperor turn into the aspect of a god. Grand

Skyrim: Last dragonborn, kills dragons and defeats a god/dragon so powerful that he's called the "world eater"....yea. Grand.

All world shattering or having a big impact on the world. Not what I'd call little problems.

He's not talking about the main quest because the side quests make up about 95% of the game.

But you still dont really have a choice to do those main quests or not, and dont really have a choice HOW to do them, you just have to basically do them regardless if you are a good or bad character adn that is the problem with skyrim.

In fallout you do have those choices and that is what I want in skyrim, the choices we have in FO but in skyrim or the next ES game.
The dialog tree is so boring in the ES games and in skyrim.

Your choices dont matter, you are just following the story and sure its an open world game but the main quest is basically on rails and you have to do it like the game wants you to.

And in the side quests its even worse, you cant even say PISS OFF im not helping you, teh quest is forced upon you, and you can only choose to ignore it, there should be an option to say NO or some smart ass reply

I think his point is that he's fine with the game and is spiteful against making anything like Fallout given Fallout [censored] being annoying in the Skyrim forum.

Ok.. Hmm, I actually completly agree.. When you say COD though, I think I would rather a game which allows more of a dynamic playstyle based on the class trying to be built by the character.. Such as a assassin-ish character would be more fast and invisible and able to use the shadows ~ aswell as killing off enemies secretly.. I am also saying Fallout as it was, meaning Fallout 3 and kinda Fallout New Vegas, is not exactly perfect.. It is much more enjoyable because I actually like the characters and you really cannot go wrong with making a Fallout quest.. Unlike the Elder Scrolls which takes some work to make a quest because the limitations available in a world like Elder Scrolls..

This I agree with. I didn't really care for those lame slides, although it was nice to have a wrap up of the ending. BUT Skyrim can't have this because Skyrim doesn't end after the events of the MQ.

Play a different game. TES has lore that will not allow for the main quest to not happen or happen.. and no you don't HAVE to do the quest.

When I say COD, I just mean when you go into FPS mode for gun play, I wish the controls and smoothness was like that. In fallout its hard to just aim down the sights and pick someone off because its so clunky. You are almost forced to use VATS.

Well then, I would say he is foolish.. The best constructive criticism comes when you compare two or more things for the better.. If you leave out that feel of comparing, if thats the best way to word it, the point comes across not as complete..

Right you dont have to do the quest, you can just ignore it but you are still forced to TAKE the quest and it goes in your log. where as in FO you can flat out tell them NO i am not going to help you.
You RARELY get a choice like that in skyrim.

I also hate the VAT's system.. It should be like when you kill somebody you gain them.. And they do not regenerate.. More like something you are rewarded for taking out targets.. I do agree aswell.. I think several things need revamping, aiming and especially damage based on where the damage was applied.. If they copied off Metro 2033 in many different situations, I would be quite happy..

I agree that it's not really a smart attitude. I am with him in that the game is fine as it is. Doesn't mean it couldn't be better though.

Wasn't the point of my post, but I'll bite. TES cant really put in that much choice because the game has a very extensive bit of lore. The game's lore has to be accurate but vague enough to allow all characters to fit. Having all this choice makes it hard for devs to speak of the events in lore, because if they do, someone's character will be shut out. Not saying this is a good excuse, it just is what it is. I personally don't really care about the amount of choice in FNV. It isn't compatable with TES, because of the lore. What WOULD be appropriate for TES is multiple ways to go about the goal of a mission. That is something Fallout NV offers plenty of, and something Bethesda may be able to incorperate without affecting the lore.

Would you agree?

You still cant say thats what the game is mainly about though because of side quests. Thats ridiculous. They may make up the majority of the game, but the focus is on the MQ.

For misc quests, I can understand why some people may want an option of telling people "no". Personally I don't care, I'll just do it 90% of the time and frankly, I'm okay with a couple quests in my journal being left.

For the main quest though, you will always be the only one to deal with the problem. Best get used to it.

basically if we had the rage style gun play but with everything else fallout
I think it would be pefect

I agree with this.. But the writers who work at Bethesda really are terrible.. I do not know what they were doing, the main quest was garbage in my opinion, 99% of the sidequests (guild-quests included) were bad, and the dialogue was quite casualized and boring..