actually, one can assume, ulfric does see the larger picture (as he was tortured by it) but the empire was too weak and gave the thalmor certian victory the next time they want to invade (if the stormcloaks/gods/whatever-other-random-variable-bethesda-throws-in did/does not do anyting)

I see Ulfric being short sighted in that the Thalmor are the true threat. If Skyrim United with the empire that would be a more formidable opponent. They could build an army and try to find a competent leader to siting the throne, and we need somebody who wants the best for ALL of the nations of Tamriel.

Well that's odd, since Nords founded the empire.

Skyrim on its own is stronger than being a subject to an empire that has already given up and has no allies left. If they can pull the other provinces back into an alliance that will be best, but thats not happening so long as the empire insists on "my way or the highway".

I see Ulfric being short sighted in that the Thalmor are the true threat. If Skyrim United with the empire that would be a more formidable opponent. They could build an army and try to find a competent leader to siting the throne, and we need somebody who wants the best for ALL of the nations of Tamriel.

Skyrim on its own is stronger than being a subject to an empire that has already given up and has no allies left. If they can pull the other provinces back into an alliance that will be best, but thats not happening so long as the empire insists on "my way or the highway".

too add to that, the empire lets the thalmor cripple them in anyway the thalmor pleases ever since the concordinent (i could destory any empire with 10 men and free reign to kill anyone i pleased just by planting a simpel shrine in their house [or even an amulet] and calling them a talos worshipper, the thalmor does this but with hundreds of mer), i would agree if the empire would be willign to cast aside the failure that is mede then it would be best to reform the empire to fight against the thalmor, but i dont think anyone will just tell mede "get lost we are finding someone competent to rule the empire"

This. The attack of one city doesn't justify a genocide.

They would be stronger joined together. There is strength in numbers. I have also said numerous times there needs to be a competent emperor on the throne because the Mere dynasty is a joke. They do not have what it takes to rule and rebuild an empire. With them gone things would be smoother for the entire empire, the empire is crumbling because of the Medes weak nature.

Well sure, if the empire wasnt a thrall to the thalmor then it would make sense to ally to them. That was never an option though.

The Mede rule is what ie damaging the empire. They are weak and they have in to their Thalmor mage lords. I doubt the Septim line would have gave in so easily, but they are dead. There could be say an assassination that is one way to get an imbecile off the throne.

No Gonocide is normally considered outright extermination of a species, as the Nords drove them to Dwemer, it could be considered Genocide. Attacking New York isn't genocide, nor is attacking Edinburgh, it's horrific, but doesn't consitute genocide by any degree.

Consider the Bosnian genocide. It wasnt ALL the Serbs in the entire world, it was just the ones in Bosnia. It was still attempted genocide.

i know, that is what i was getting at, but even if he is assasinated, it could take way to long for the empire to get back on it's feet and win the war. any of the septims would have easily out classed the thalmor and ended the war desicivly in the early stages, before any of the blades were even slain (okay, i dont think they would do that well, but the blades would still be around if a septim was on the throne and the war would have been relocated to thalmor territory by now).


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It will take a while hopefully the Elder Council could appoint a competent leader within a short time to oppose the Thalmor. They are the true threat and it seems to me the people in Skyrim both the empire and Stormcloaks are blind to it, it seems anyways.

I know what happens with that and it makes me wonder what is going to happen within the chaos of everything going on with Tamriel.

Tiber Septim was a Nord indeed, but he wouldn′t be able to found the Empire without the help of the Imperials. He even took an imperial name.

It will take a while hopefully the Elder Council could appoint a competent leader within a short time to oppose the Thalmor. They are the true threat and it seems to me the people in Skyrim both the empire and Stormcloaks are blind to it, it seems anyways.

I know what happens with that and it makes me wonder what is going to happen within the chaos of everything going on with Tamriel.

It will take a while hopefully the Elder Council could appoint a competent leader within a short time to oppose the Thalmor. They are the true threat and it seems to me the people in Skyrim both the empire and Stormcloaks are blind to it, it seems anyways.

I know what happens with that and it makes me wonder what is going to happen within the chaos of everything going on with Tamriel.

You're mistaken. Galmar consistently says the Thalmor are the true threat and after the Battle of Solitude, Ulfric says that his greatest worry is that the Dominion will strike before they're ready. It is his imperial counterpart, Brunwulf, who seems blind to the threat. And of course the imperials are letting the Thalmor do whatever they want, including spy on any sort of defense they might mount.

You're mistaken. Galmar consistently says the Thalmor are the true threat and after the Battle of Solitude, Ulfric says that his greatest worry is that the Dominion will strike before they're ready. It is his imperial counterpart, Brunwulf, who seems blind to the threat. And of course the imperials are letting the Thalmor do whatever they want, including spy on any sort of defense they might mount.

I think it reasonable doubt for that. The Ulfric dossier specify that if the Empire win then Civil War their position in Skyrim will be weakened. It doesn't prove anything, but it implies the Thalmor isn't as influencial as one might think.

As long as the civil war proceeds in its current indecisive fashion, we should remain hands-off. The incident at Helgen is an example where an exception had to be made - obviously Ulfric's death would have dramatically increased the chance of an Imperial victory and thus harmed our overall position in Skyrim. (NOTE: The coincidental intervention of the dragon at Helgen is still under scrutiny. The obvious conclusion is that whoever is behind the dragons also has an interest in the continuation of the war, but we should not assume therefore that their goals align with our own.) A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed.

The emperor is turning a blind eye and he is the most important person in the empire and he matters most as he is the supposed ruler of the empire.

Ulfric finds it more prudent to spend resources on his personal war than joining the empire and facing a greater threat.

Those people are of little consequence under their leaders, that is why we need somebody competent on the throne who can drive out the Thalmor and crush them. Then the empire could regain Valenwood and the Summerset.

He founded the empire because he had a giant robot. True, it was a blend of Cyrodiilic and Nord culture that became the empire, but saying that without the imperials the Nords would descend into barbarity is as nonsense as saying the Cyrodiils would do the same without the Nords. Unless of course you agree with the imperials' own prejudice about their inherent superiority over everyone else.

It also says that a Stormcloak victory is undesirable. They want chaos, not a victory from either side.

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also, slight set back in the idea that a competent ruler can make it right, he would not go to war with the thalmor while he has his hands full with the stormcloaks, but that fight would drain resorces even if he ended it quickly, not to mention ulfric probably wont be so diplimatic unless the emprie is in a war with the thalmor, maybe not even then. mede pretty much screwed over the empire and skyrim.

White Gold Tower is speculated to wield the power necessary to keep Mundus from dissolving back into Oblivion.

btw, lore question: do the thalmor need to destory all the towers or just the whitegold tower to uncreat the world? cause the throat of the world is a tower (iirc) that could be easily defended by the stormcloaks, if there is one in argonia it could be easily defended and if there is one in hammerfell it is safe because the thalmor has no presence there

Of course they aren't blind, do you honestly think that anyone in the Imperial Legion thinks the Thalmor are no longer a threat? If anyone the Stormcloaks are blind to the damage they are doing in weakening the Ere, something which the Thalmor themselves realise.