Your Current Opinion of the Nords

Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:51 am

As long as they don't [censored] it up I see no reason why it couldn't be done like that, I have no problem with playing past an end as long as there is an actual ending given. Unfortunately Bethesda's past record is Fallout 3's Broken Steel which I believe was a collosal let-down that failed on every level to show any real change - taking place only a mere 2 weeks after all - and one of the two endings wasn't even touched upon at all if you chose it outside three lines of incidental dialouge.

Well way they could do it wouldn't be too difficult, perhaps say a year after events, seeing the jarls whom were replaced and cities that were sacked, perhaps forsworn ask for ya help to overthrow Markarth, these sorta things.
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Post » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:38 pm

Well maybe that's just how they are? If you don't like the majority of the Nord's in Skyrim then you don't really like the Nord's as a whole do you?
(sigh) Or idk maybe it isn't? I said how they were presented. Not how they are. There are plenty of Nords that are cool and the culture is something I like. I don't like a majority of the people I meet but I still enjoy the culture of the place I live in. However they majority of the Nords are presented as dumbasses or ignorant(try playing as a mer or beast race) and I don't like that as it is not how the Nords acted in according to the Lore, sure they were rude but not so ignorant and arrogant as to completely disregard magic and look down on it as well as every other race.
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Post » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:31 pm

They don't want to crush the Empire, they just want it out of Skyrim. As simple a solution as the Stormcloaks giving up might be, the Empire pulling out would be equally simple. But these aren't real solutions as the fundamental disagreement is one between different groups of Nords, not between Skyrim and the Empire.
Attacking the Thalmor embassy would be treating the symptoms instead of the disease. The problem is the concordat, which legitimizes the Thalmor activities in Skyrim. Direct action against the Thalmor also brings the Stormcloaks into conflict with the Empire.

And again, Ulfric wanting the throne is no slight against him any more than it is against anyone else who has ever achieved a position of power in Tamriel. Think Titus Mede didn't lust for power when he took the Imperial City by force of arms?
The Stormcloaks goal is to drive the Empire out of Skyrim so that the WGC is no longer valid there correct? It's the Thalmor who enforce the Talos ban so go after the Thalmor, I'm sure that the Penitus Occultis aren't going to go on Talos Torture detail. It would be a much smaller fight and much more in the back-ground as opposed to the all out war with the Empire which kills so many.

The disease is the Thalmor in general but the Stormcloaks fail to see that their actions are weakening the only large scale opposition to the Thalmor the Empire. The Stormcloaks even say - if you wander around their camp as I am right now:

"So why did you join up?

"I didn't want some snot-nosed Elf telling me who I can pray too."
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:49 am

The snow elves tried to genocide the Nords. Falmer can blame themselves imo.

And here is a book about how the dunmer feel about Nords:
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dunmer_of_Skyrim

So now, "children of Skyrim," you have the truth of it. You may call this province home, but you can no sooner claim to own it than a cow can claim to own its master's field. You are just another breed of domestic animal, grazing stupidly while higher beings plot your slaughter.

Wow, as if I didn't despise Dunmer before reading this. Excuse, I'm off to cleanse the Snow Quarter.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:53 am

The High King is elected by the Nord Moot, not in a "duel". My point is that all the [censored] "tradition" that the Stormcloaks seem to respect could very well culturally stagnate the country, all they seem to respect is the ancient Nord's who beat the Dragons. Tiber Septim was a Nord right? Therefore all we Nord's can use him as a rallying call for our Nordic greatness!

By the time of the Fourth Era, anyone who believes that killing the previous King - not local tribesman of course but leader of such a huge province - is a legitimate means of succession is a fool.
The reason there is no legitimate means of electing a true Nord high king is because of imperial interference. There can't be a legitimate moot, because the empire will only allow those things that advance imperial interests.

Tiber Septim's empire is gone. The current empire is a shadow of it, the Medes are just pretenders. Even Talos himself (as Wulf) said the empire was finished.
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Post » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:15 pm

"Skyrim for the Nords", considering Nord is a race, is exactly like shouting "America for the Whites" as a US battle cry, which is very racist by the way. Therefore, yes, it is racist to have a battle cry that specifically states that Skyrim is only for a single race, the Nords.

The slogan simply means that they want to rule Skyrim which is totally acceptable seeing as they predominantly live there.
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Post » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:08 pm

sure they were rude but not so ignorant and arrogant as to completely disregard magic and look down on it as well as every other race.
Iirc the great antipathy towards magic is apparently a phenomenon not unique to Skyrim that followed the Oblivion Crisis. I've also yet to meet a race in TES that doesn't in some way look down on the other races. Even the Imperials have an air of superiority about them :tongue:

The Stormcloaks goal is to drive the Empire out of Skyrim so that the WGC is no longer valid there correct? It's the Thalmor who enforce the Talos ban so go after the Thalmor, I'm sure that the Penitus Occultis aren't going to go on Talos Torture detail. It would be a much smaller fight and much more in the back-ground as opposed to the all out war with the Empire which kills so many.
Remember that the Empire was forced to renounce Hammerfell when they continued to fight against the Thalmor. Due to the treaty the Empire can't just allow a province under their control to take action against the Thalmor, and they obviously aren't willing to let Skyrim go...

Wow, as if I didn't despise Dunmer before reading this. Excuse, I'm off to cleanse the Snow Quarter.
That author doesn't speak for all the Dunmer in Windhelm, obviously. It's an extreme viewpoint.
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Post » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:43 pm

(sigh) Or idk maybe it isn't? I said how they were presented. Not how they are. There are plenty of Nords that are cool and the culture is something I like. I don't like a majority of the people I meet but I still enjoy the culture of the place I live in. However they majority of the Nords are presented as dumbasses or ignorant (try playing as a mer or beast race) and I don't like that as it is not how the Nords acted in according to the Lore, sure they were rude but not so ignorant and arrogant as to completely disregard magic and look down on it as well as every other race.
It's alright dude I feel you. I love everything Akaviri despite history not remembering them very fondly.

What your objecting to is a potential lore [censored]-up with Bethesda in regards to Nord presentation right? As a Fallout die-hard I can say that I have felt that sting myself.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:12 am

If the Stormcloaks care so much why not attack the Thalmor Embassy? Why not drive the Thalmor out and expose their agents? Because Ulfric is a power-hungry nob riding on public hate or a hypocritical fool who doesn't know what he's doing - whichever you prefer.
That's just for gameplay reasons, because people might not have finished the MQ before they finish the civil war. You don't see any Thalmor delegations in Stormcloak territory, do you?
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Post » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:50 pm

It's alright dude I feel you. I love everything Akaviri despite history not remembering them very fondly.

What your objecting to is a potential lore [censored]-up with Bethesda in regards to Nord presentation right? As a Fallout die-hard I can say that I have felt that sting myself.

Fingers crossed that Beth never get their hands on rights to Baldur's Gate franchise, talk about [censored].
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:32 am

Due to the treaty the Empire can't just allow a province under their control to take action against the Thalmor, and they obviously aren't willing to let Skyrim go...

[censored], that is a good point.

But there can always be front efforts camoflaging true intent. For example the Jarl of Solitude asks you to take a token to a Talos Shrine for her. I mean let's face facts, in realirt the Penitus Occultis will be fighting the Thalmor in secret all the time, they're spies it's what they do. Any appearance of alliance between the Thalmor and the Empire is fake.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:40 am

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