Yep, and most racist nords arent stormcloak. In fact the only one Ive heard is Rolff, not a stormcloak. But if you want to hear real racism try reading the book Dunmer of Skyrim. Those dunmer are flaming racists.

Though J'rahzir does not trust such a race and nor does he like this race, can the Dunmer truly be blamed for their culture? The Dunmer hate all outsiders. Morrowind resisted the Imperial when the Imperial held lands there. Morrowind resisted the Nord when the Nord held lands there. Morrowind resisted the Dwarven when they still lived. Morrowind even resists the Dunmer, and it is they who live there. The Dunmer do not trust and nor will the Dunmer ever trust. It is simply their ways.

"Skyrim for the Nords", considering Nord is a race, is exactly like shouting "America for the Whites" as a US battle cry, which is very racist by the way. Therefore, yes, it is racist to have a battle cry that specifically states that Skyrim is only for a single race, the Nords.

No, it isn't. Bandits shouted that at my Nord. It's just a general war cry and not even a Stormcloak slogan.

It's certainly strange war cry, it would make more sense to say something less ambigious.

Nords have been defending their territory for centuries. I assume it comes from that.

Calling that "racist" is like saying whatever country you live in doesn't have a right to its territory. Everyone in Tamriel fights wars for power and territory. If the game was set in Hammerfell, people would probably be less prejudicial against things, but because the Nords are a bunch of Arnold Schwarzenegger mead swillers people take their ethnic pride as something sinister. They just need to get over it. This is Tamriel, where everyone beats everyone down.

It still does excuse how they in turn led to Snow Elves seeking help from Dwemer, which in turn led to their total destruction and creation of Falmer.

Too bad. The snow elves struck first.

As evidenced by history, Nords may have struck if they hadn't. Also as also proven history is written by victors, so all we know could be utter bs and the real cause was much more evil of why Nords removed them. We'll never know, but Rome did do this with Celtic Druids.

Nords for the most part keep to themselves, although I hate Ulfrid Stormcloak. The rest of them are cool people and have little bother with the orcs. Argonians, Nords, Bretons and the Bosmer are the only races I can say that I have nothing against.

But its not right to blame Nords for what happened when you dont know what happened.

War crys are always abbreviated. It wouldnt make sense to make them longer or you could be dead before you finished it.

Would you prefer "Skyrim belongs to the people that have settled here, except for those forsworn because they practice human sacrifice and the falmer because they are a twisted monster version of the people they once were"!!!!!!

The Falmer still happened and it was wrong, so whoever to blame, any party involved angers me, Dwemer the main cause are dead, so therefore the Nords are my only other target.

There's no convienent term referring to those who live in Skyrim aside from 'Nords'. Moreover, in TES the races are tied to geographic locations in a much more integral way than in the real world. You can't just ignore the peculiarities of Nirn when you make these statements.

Aye but Dwemer are not dead, rather lurking in Oblivion. Only to reurn when Bethesda runs out of ideas.

The Imperials have controlled the empire so long because they at shrewd diplomats who have talked and positioned themselves in a high place of power for centuries.

The Nords could rule the land but they are warlike in nature, and that would hamper a stable empire.

Would rather they brought back the snow elves, Dwemer seemed largely psychopathic, not caring what they did in pursuit of knowing everything.

the nords also gave them [dunmer] an entire district in windhelm but they are never thankful and never do anything but complain when they dont even attempt to make the grey quarter any better or make any friends (see the altmer in windhelm, she is doing nice because she made friends and money), they are in a self-imposed isolation


no, they would not have. the falmer made the nords hate elves because they slaughtered innocents who just happend across a relic and decided it was best to not mess with it. the falmer decided they wanted to get all the power from the relic for themselves and to hell with everyone else (one can assume that the falmer were going to use the relic for war or other kinds of violence given it's volatile nature)


they are not in oblivion or the outer realms (people have looked, the last living dwemer looked and found nothing), they are G-O-N-E gone, they will never come back because they are the skin of their (failure of) a god, they uncreated themselves for a god and it failed

my views of nords: proud people who are labeled racist for no discurnable reason. one of them starts a rebelion to protect their gods, people call him power-hungry and a racist. they win a war and they are called monsters. as far as humans go, the nords are great people with a bad reputation brought on by ignorance (the people laballing them).

You missed the point, history is written by the victor and as Falmer can't write for themselves, we're meant to believe that it's exactly happened like the books claim. No thank you, I'd rather think for myself thank you. Here's historic proof of my facts, Romans lablled Celtic Druids many things, claiming they ate children ect. Since Rome wrote most of the history this was believed for centuries until real archologists found proof of the exact opposite.

Basically until we actually hear their side of the story through writing or books written by them found in Dwemer ruins, then we can merely hope Nords aren't liars. Oh wait...

They attacked one city.
We know of no other incidents so far. I'm not saying that there were none, but that we know of none and therfore we have to assume that there weren't any - Innocent until proven guilty.

The next thing we hear about is how the Nord retaliated by killing off the Snowelves by the thousands and I think nost people simply don't think about this properly, eventhough we have a present day example of a similar incident:

The Stormcloaks attacked Whiterun and many people died, but who in their right mind would ask for the death of all Nord now? It's ridiculous, but it is (apparently) what the ancient Nord did and for some reason many think it was ok. The elves attacked a city of the Nord so all of them had to die. Every single one of them.

I can't wrap my head around this kind of thinking.

Sonic Snap also posted the contents of a very interesting book on page 5 of this thread, you should read it. It's ingame literature that can be found in the Dwemer Museum and suggests strongly that the ancient Nord did not arrive in Skyrim as poor refugees, but rather as invaders and that they acted accordingly. Not just in Skyrim either but elsewhere as well. No matter where they showed up, they always managed to sow discord among people who used to live peacefully prior to their arrival.

nords are a lot of thigns but not liars, their version of the truth may be skewed by pride (and almost always is) but what they say is usually truth in some form, if it is safe to say the falmer were ever actually normal elves, it is safe to say that the falmer attacked the nords for the eye and slaughtered them, although details could and would be wrong (only 3 people survived the attack? probably not, but the companion's pride in their leaderwould make them see him ad his sons as the only ones to survive). did they react a bit harsly? maybe, but the elves attacked innocents, that is something the nords' pride will not just excuse

You can't just play the 'we don't know for sure' card and then substitute whatever you would like to be true in it's place. Though to be fair to you, the unknown elf commenting on the first pocket guide does mention 'forgotten' 'provocations and blashphemies'.

At the same time this is pretty weak, itself very biased and largely superceded by new information, and most historical accounts seem to indicate the ancient mer generally weren't the nicest neighbours to ancient man.

The Nords as a people are hardy and proud that does not make them bad. The Stormcloaks are pushing their war and looking at the small picture, they do not see the Thalmor as the true threat. The Stormcloaks are to blinded by anger and Ulfric to see that if the Thalmor are ousted and defeated Talos would be free to worship again.

This. The attack of one city doesn't justify a genocide.

actually, one can assume, ulfric does see the larger picture (as he was tortured by it) but the empire was too weak and gave the thalmor certian victory the next time they want to invade (if the stormcloaks/gods/whatever-other-random-variable-bethesda-throws-in did/does not do anyting)