Words are meaningless and forgettable.

They actually did see it, though. Hence the reason that training was restricted in Oblivion and Skyrim, just as it was in Daggerfall.

I'll give you the part about the disk size differences. I still agree that all consoles are to blame. It isn't only the drive space that is the issue. It's the outdated coding for the system software all the way to the (what is now considered) inferior graphics compared to a PC.

Another thread someone posted the lack of thought people use when deciding on a gaming system.... getting a PC vs. a console. I agree with their idea that a console is the cheap way out...a quick fix. In reality, you get a better quality gaming system for the money with a PC. You will either spend a few hundred dollars on upgrades every few years for a PC... or a few hundred dollars on a console system that you are severely limited on every few years.

Your choice.

As for the topic of the "dumb down" issue. It's a phrase that most people use correctly to combine the meanings already mentioned in this thread. Get over it. The English language is made up of phrases like this and words get new meanings all of the time.

......that isn't seeing it, that's learning about it after the fact.

Seeing it would be realizing it during development, which I think they did and didn't care.

So meaningless they only define humanity as a species.

Words do not define humanity, humanity defines words.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Ultimately it's something that can and should be built on to prevent such exploits.

What does this have to do with Skyrim? All you seem to be doing is intellectually bullying anyone using the term dumbed down. Not only that, but you want to be a control freak and "abolish" the term all together. Which is another of saying "I don't like your opinion, so I will just ban you from saying it."

The removal of arbitrary Guild Req limitations, and the locking back down of skill trainings was just that and people RAGED.

It's the truth. Skyrim is not "dumbed down". I've explained it plenty of times, but I'll explain it again.

-Less skills does not amount to less complexity. Each individual skill in Skyrim offers multiple paths of specialization, which allows deeper customization and specialization than Oblivion and even Morrowind. Where Oblivion has 2 weapon styles (blade, blunt), the specializations within Skyrim's perks allow for blade, blunt, axe, dagger, or dual wield specialization, which is 5. Getting those specializations through perks is no "less complex" than selecting it as a Major Skill in Morrowind.
-Armorer was removed, and replaced with a deeper, more complex crafting system.
-Mysticism is not removed. All of it's effects exist in the game in other schools.
-Hand to Hand still exists, and has perks that allow for it to be specialized in.
-Unarmored has perks that allow for it to be specialized in.
-Perks allow for all of the same effects as Attributes - all except for Speed. Strength effected melee damage - there are perks to increase melee damage. Agility effected staggering - there are perks that effect staggering. Carry weight is effected by Stamina.
-Character speed was removed, the ability to sprint was added.
-Athletics and Acrobatics were lost, but more in depth skills like Pickpocket and Enchanting saw their return.
-Spellmaking was removed, but new casting mechanics and new effects were added, as well as the ability to combine spell effects with dual casting.
-Puzzles were added to quests and dungeons. Choices were added to quests.

So where exactly was the game "dumbed down"?

Again, you may not "prefer" the current design direction, but that does not make it "dumbed down".

Dumbed down is both insulting, and inaccurate.

Depeche

Ima have to call you out on that one. This is factually untrue. Dispel, reflect damage, mark and recall, and reflect spell are all missing.

Mark and Recall are gone for the same reasons levitation is, it breaks the scripted events

I still have my lock spell.

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