I enjoyed it.

Not in a laughing way, but in an exploration hardened traveller in a hard world way. I guess that`s why i remeber places like that still where i forget other rpgs.

Sometimes, something has to be tiring, difficult or annoying to be memorable, even like just walking to and from a location because you don`t have the money to pay for it.

However, I was glad when I discovered mark and recall, but still often walked everywhere.

the differnece with Morrowind to all the others (Oblivion, FO3, Skyrim) is that everything had a LOGICAL means; you PAID for a silt strider, you PAID for a boat or cart and you PAID or stole a mark and Recall.

I hate the FTs in later games because you just whizz there with no reason at all how or why. It`s like standing in the shopping mall and just thinking `home` and instantly your home - illogical crap.

thats why you leave the mark at the aslander camp and use the other methods to move around..oh and you could fortfiy jump and use slow fall to treverse the map.

board elitist? wut?

Except 90% of the things they removed did have some replacement.

I prefer "stripped" myself. Since Bethesda seem so intent on removing things from the game without giving back anything worthwhile to replace it.

Spell creation: gone, "replaced" with dual-casting (as if).
Reputation: gone, replaced with hot air and bellyaching that means nothing.
Attributes: gone. "Replaced" with perks (though perks already existed in Oblivion).

Here is a post I put up in a thread on a different forum about the subject.

There are the causes.


"The single biggest cause of the "dumbing down" everyone always complains about comes from graphics.

The problem is DVD space hasn't increased in the years, but graphics have. As graphics get better they take up more space, the most space the graphics take up the less room there is on the disk, the less room there is on the disk because of graphics the less complexity there will be in games.

It wouldn't be hard for Bethesda to make a game as expansive or deep as Morrowind, its just that it would have to look like ???? to do so.


It also doesn't help that when companies bring up the idea of multiple disks, allowing for greater depth in their games people tend to flip out and claim its unreasonable. For all their claims of wanting depth most people simply refuse having to switch disks throughout the game.

To start this statement is an exceptionally hackneyed expression on these forums despite the fact that it is the least intelligent way to express a sentiment. In addition, it exhibits that you have not put in the time to come up with a reasonable objection to a feature of the game and that you are just merely attacking it with a trivial, overused statement. If you are going to criticize the work that Bethesda put into making the game, at least take the time to articulate your complaint thoroughly and with adherence to the rules of grammar. Don't complain about something that took massive effort to achieve without at least putting some time in come up with a respectable argument.

Yeah, wanting everything for everybody makes me elite somehow. Having mods or console commands that will fix most any beef I have with Skyrim (need a spell creation mod though), yet staying here to stand up for vanilla console players, as a PC player makes me an Elitist. Id say that's the opposite of elitism. Until we actually start talking about Spell Creation, then I will actually become a living God.

Again, 70% of the map wasn't near any town or mode of fast travel requiring me to use my Mark/Recall spellss on other htings.

Still, we're missing 10%

Again, 70% of the map wasn't near any town or mode of fast travel requiring me to use my Mark/Recall spellss on other htings.

Because the statement isn't "we don't like this game, we think X game did it better", the statement is "this game is dumbed down, and meant to appeal to the masses who don't want to think" which comes with implications - that the people who do enjoy the game are "dumber", of lesser intelligence, and just generally inferior.

It is an insulting term.

It is elitism when you use terms like "dumbed down" and talk in condescending fashion towards the people who do like the changes. Which you do.

A good portion of that 10% was useless or broken.

another part of that 10% made its way into the game as something else.

So really it was less then 10%

the game is about exploring do you really want to wisked away to every part the map at anytime.

They also removed choices and consequences, what did they do with that percent?

As if Morrowind or Oblivion's quests choices had any more impact on the game world... here's a hint they didn't.

I have no problem with exploring.

I have a problem with intentionally misleading directions and having to spend 2-3 hours trying to find something that should only take 10-15 minutes to get to




As if Morrowind or Oblivion's quests choices had any more impact on the game world... here's a hint they didn't.

They sure as hell did.

In 500 some hours I spent on morrowind "intentionally misleading directions" never came up.

As if Morrowind or Oblivion's quests choices had any more impact on the game world... here's a hint they didn't.

It is elitism when you use terms like "dumbed down" and talk in condescending fashion towards the people who do like the changes.

Which you do.

To start this statement is an exceptionally hackneyed expression on these forums despite the fact that it is the least intelligent way to express a sentiment. In addition, it exhibits that you have not put in the time to come up with a reasonable objection to a feature of the game and that you are just merely attacking it with a trivial, overused statement. If you are going to criticize the work that Bethesda put into making the game, at least take the time to articulate your complaint thoroughly and with adherence to the rules of grammar. Don't complain about something that took massive effort to achieve without at least putting some time in come up with a respectable argument.

Is that any excuse to not build on the consequences of the player's actions in Skyrim?

I bring this up in every thread like this, so I'll do it again. Another regression is in the in game book department. Go read Daggerfall and Morrowind in game books, then read Skyrim exclusive books. The writing styles, complexity, maturity and technical differences are night and day.