Oh, you guys are soooo much better than the "blizzkids".
Seriously.

Heh, I was thinking one of the ways to fix some of the things people don't like about level scaling would be to set each dungeon's level randomly at the start of the game (taking quest lines and such into account as well), then have some sort of warning if you were about to enter a dungeon that would wipe the floor with you. And the first warning I thought of was having your followers say basically that.

Ha ha true. The perk descriptions are so vague, have so many unforeseen effects and sometimes buggy to the point that even in game you can't tell if they are working as described, nevermind what you were planned before the game.

Like how Atronach perk from the alteration tree breaks conjuration and shadow walker.

Like the 100 hidden armor and armor cap.

Like destruction spells not scaling at all to destruction skill

Like self-enchanted items far surpassing Daedric artifacts and any other item in game.

i have read attentively every post up to mine. i have played WoW since the beginning of TBC to right before Cata. I quit and went back a bit because friends told me there is much fun to be had making a little mage or hunter and destroy kiddiez in bg. they where right, had my fun, thanks kiddies. i choose not to play wow anymore because frankly, activision or whoever owns it now got enough money out of me for a game that will never ever be balanced, and terms like FOTM and Cookie-cutter make the rules. I have met such devastating raging morons in wow that you wouldn't believe. i have met the younglings that think calling you a knab will make you bleed irl, and UK brats who call everyone a f@g, elitist jerks, and underachieving rp-ers. takes all kinds to make a world.

now i am a huge fan of TES series starting with Morrowind and ending with Skyrim. with ups and downs, they gave me great times and continue to do so. So did wow, every now and then. that being said:

Any game that restricts the way you choose to play the character you make, nomatter if by pure hardcoding or the apparition of a medium for social pressure to comply, is a game that does not deliver what it should: entertainment. Morrowind gave me almost two years of great fun, divided amongst about 7 characters of different makes. I never played any TES under any kind of pressure, and it was a blast. On the other hand, i have passed red lights with my car to get to raids in time! whilst paying monthly for it! Had ugly fights with good buddies over some [censored] pixels! THEY ARE PIXELS. ON A SCREEN. yes, they do bring you comfort in one way or another, but when i see people comparing bananas and coconuts i kinda tend to loose my composure. i guess what i'm saying is: people should play games for fun or at least, healthy competition. It all started when FPS players became bored, and realised that, nomatter how nice it looks and how you need a NVIDA 23322737228 U.B.E.R to be a god (and your friendly wallhack), ALL FPS ARE THE SAME. And then, in a blasted day, a rpg friend told them: Hey wait, you can kill other people in roleplaying games too! the rest is history.

to end my rant: it is your game. you bought it and you OWN it (unlike wow, read the eula and find out how you are really the only one pwned). play it as you like, blend it if it gives you pleasure. bear in mind these:

- Kodlac will not ask you to go fury when you like in fact two-handers
- the guys in Winterhold don't care what spell you use to vanquish your foes, nor how well you are dressed.
- no one cares if you step in the fire (sorry couldn't help myself on that one)
- you dont have to pray to the gods you win an item you have been waiting for weeks to drop off some alambicated encounter that isn't really hard, but needs to be memorated as such, like a super mario bro level
- you don't have to play nice to jerks who play tanks or healers just because they get faster gratification. A vigilant of Stendrarr will heal you just if you ask him nicely and wont call you a noob

i could go on but its allready a wall of text. peace and have fun, and a happy holiday to ya all

I don't even run Steam online. Works fine on my PC so I don't need any patches. I'm not interested in sharing my 'achievements' or even seeing them for myself. After downloading the silent leveling mod (no music) I often don't even notice it's time to perk up until I've gained a couple of levels. Too busy actually enjoying the game to treat it as a game. For me it's more like a novel or those old 'Endless Quest' books.

Same. I recently made a Bosmer archer who I'm roleplaying as a hunter. So far, I've gone around 5 or 6 levels without actually picking any perks, because I'm having too much fun running around chasing wild game. Every once in a while I'd come across a little cave or bandit den and clear it out, just for a change of pace. I'm even trying to be realistic this time (actually renting a bed to sleep in and eating, and drinking), which is... fun... I'm having fun. I'm having fun? Impossible!

But, more on the point, Skyrim doesn't have to be the be-all, end-all RPG. I do wish Bethesda had treated it more like Morrowind, with deeper quest lines and dialogue (see my other posts for my hate-induced rants) but, taken at face value, Skyrim is a game I've come to enjoy for what it is. Maybe it's not the best TES RPG I've ever bought. Maybe it's not even a good TES game in general. But its addicting as hell and its good fun.

i have 10 perk points right now being unused. since i don't care about magic stuff, lockpicking is worthless, and damage/block/armor skills aren't that important. it leaves only a few things to put perks in.

^^^^ This. The poor attempt at elitism by some of the responses is both comical, (chuckles) and cute, albeit expected.

Really? So you see no differnce between, say, someone who owns a snowboard but hits the slopes once per year for a few days with friends, and someone who does it every weekend?

It seems like the one who is not going out of their parent's basemant much is... you.


And here's more of your ignorance. MMOs don't end with WoW.

Try grinding same three mobs for twenty hours just to gain one level and then we'll see what you think about "handouts in MMOs", scrub.

OP, tell your friends to power-level alchemy, smithing, and enchanting. They'll be gods, one-shooting everything, and finish Skyrim in two weeks.

Then they can move on to another game.

I believe the issue was WoW contaminating the gaming community by reinforcing a min-max mentality (at the cost of role-playing or casual gaming). It may not be the only MMO, but the damage is done.

lol it's cute how min-maxing is evil and also the direct result of wow. Annoying Elder Scrolls mindset...

Now if you'll excuse me I have some more rages to learn for Gau.

Who cares what the other guy is doing?!
Just play the danm game!
Thats the only annoying WoW mindset, worrying how other people might go about playing the game.

Oooo...something hit a little too close to home...

Bought that yearly sub to WoW, did we?

Thank you for recognizing that fact.

I've been playing MMO's since UO....there is DEFINITELY a trend since WoW came around to create a certain obsessive, OCD player mindset...Blizzard is great at it.

So there's a whole generation now that's come up with WoW as it's template for gaming and gets thrown off by games where there isn't a constant carrot being dragged two inches from their nose.

Did it exist prior to WoW, to a degree it did, but WoW brought it to a whole new level. And yeah, I played WoW until cross server battlegrounds were introduced, that's when I remember it starting it's years-long downward slide into the torture device it is today.

On my first character I went full roleplayer mode and picked perks based on the story I made up while adventuring. I'm around lvl 78 now and my char has become a jack of all trades but master of none with high damage output but low health, wearing light armor and I don't mind it one bit because it fits her story perfectly and that's the only thing that mattered while playing with that Argonian.

Later I made a Khajit that was roleplay centric as well but that time I planned the adventures and advancement beforehand to make sure the individual story pieces I have in my mind can be stringed together later and all aspects of the kitty cat will fit each other without go-moding, the talent calculator really come handy at that time.

And there was one Dunmer I made as a think-out-of-the-main-story-line character, after the introduction quest I gave it a heap of money, elegant clothes, certain summoning spells and maxed out alchemy via the console from the start then showed the main questline my middle finger and went with the story about a filthy rich, master alchemist Dark Elf getting chased out of Morrowind by the Argonian invaders and upon getting captured then freed she has to get around Skyrim with a rotten, snobby attitude (lowered Speechcraft) and the opinion that all beast races deserve to be enslaved (attack beast races on sight) and that you can't trust an Imperial ever (no trading with Imperial NPCs or completing quests for them/in their favor). For the last one I really needed to min/max to get the stats and perks that would fit her story and personality.

That being said I think the great thing about Skyrim is that you play it however you want to without others judging you on it. So if someone wants to min/max or play WoW style and pretend to raid dungeons weekly and compare items stats then so be it. If that makes them happy who are we to make it forbidden or looked down upon?

I played WoW for a bit. Its fun I guess, if you're only interested in getting the best sword or whatever... Seemed to me like WoW players just wanted to hassle other players cos their gear wasn't 'epic' enough. Fail.

I did stuff like this in wow. Not this exact stuff but similar. Made me realize I was playing the wrong game.

I roleplayed Diablo II with a druid.

Problem is, on online ladder, a druid could not survive the later chapters in hell...
...

I miss that kind of difficulty, and the fun in searching for better loot.
Oh well, my current character doesn't use smithing, so he's looking for glass armor and weapons.

Thank you for recognizing my sarcasm.

That's the problem with a lot of current MMORPG design; they stripped down the "RPG" part until it became a twisted effigy of the genre. Apparently Bioware was going to try to bring RPG parts back into order with The Old Republic....if they can.

Implying that you can't enjoy the game while still wanting to have the best built character.

I find it a silly mindset if people keep comparing everything with WoW.

Unfortunately that's been going on continuously for the last six or seven years.