Anyone else's opinions on the rebellion completely change at : V

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:30 pm

When I started my first character, I was dead set on joining the Stormcloaks. Screw the Empire I thought to myself. They were going to execute me, and the bent over for the dominion.

Now I find almost every character I make is either neutral, or sides with the Empire. Finding out how most Stormcloaks are rather prejudice. And the Stormcloaks don't realize that the only way the Dominion can be defeated is through a united Empire.

Skyrim is only for the Nords Ulfric says. Pfft. I can't stand by him.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:33 pm

I was always for the Empire.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:28 pm

My opinion didn't change completely, but I did lose some of my intiial enthusiasm for the Stormcloaks by the time I had finished the quest line. I plan to play through the Imperial side someday, but, from what I have read, I doubt that I'll feel more comfortable being on their side than the Stromcloak side.

I really like that about Skyrim. Everything is shades of gray. Too many fantasy roleplaying games involve primitive "good" versus "evil" stories for my my taste.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:32 pm

me too man

I was an empire hater through all TES

but these storm cloaks are one crazy bunch of idiots that can't seem to see the massive dominion monster looming over the horizon

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:15 am

Ulfric is not racist. Some stormcloaks are, but not all

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:34 pm

I normally play an empire guy but my character decided no matter how much of a giant annoying d**k that Ulfric is, I was almost beheaded for a minor border violation by General Jacka**. Somebody will pay for that.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:55 pm

I have also switched from the Stormcloaks to the Empire, but I still see the situation very nunanced. The Dominion is almost destined to fail in the end, and I believe the civil war will determine if the Empire will survive or not.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:46 am

As much as I have to say Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are not racist, as almost all the elves in Windhelm will tell you, he is a tool.

Come to think of it, all of them are unmitigated tools, with the exception of Galmar.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:34 pm

I like it too. I find myself "With" the Empire, but not supporting the actions of the Thalmor. Only supporting the fact that the alliance and White-Gold Concordat is the lesser of 2 evils.

I became very skeptical of Ulfrics rebellion upon entering Windhelm the first time and hearing all the remarks against the Dark Elf's of the town. Sure, they don't help your cause Ulfric, but if they aren't Empire, why not at least be a bit mre hospitable? Maybe then they might join your cause?

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:26 pm

I leaned towards the empire too, and that was reinforced by pretty much everything I've seen in the game. I've never actually played through the civil war, though. Never felt compelled to upset the status quo.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:27 pm

I always liked the Empire and was fine playing them. Then I went stormcloaks and thought they`d be fun as they were like the easy-going hippy types wanting freedom, but being trodden down.

But actually they`re not and if anything are more harsh than the Imperials.

I still feel bad whenever I kill an Imperial.

I suppose that`s what`s good about the way they`ve handled these two factions in Skyrim: both are bad and good equally. there`s no real perfectly good side.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:07 am

At no point does Ulfric or any other Stormcloak (Rolff aside - and he's not a Stormcloak) propose kicking non-Nords out of Skyrim.

'Skyrim for the Nords' is as opposed to 'Skyrim for the Empire.' It doesn't mean that only the Nords can live there.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:17 pm

Try playing the storm-cloak story line as a non-Nord non-human character and then tell me storm-cloaks are not raci -ahem* I mean humanists.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:44 am

Ulfric really is blind. If the dominion decides to strike, it will be Ulfrics fault that the whole of Skyrim is as weak as it is at present. Like Tullius says at the very beginning, Ulfric plunged Skyrim into chaos. Which is exactly what the Thalmor want. So they can just walk in and sweep up the mess.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:06 pm

I have also switched from the Stormcloaks to the Empire, but I still see the situation very nunanced. The Dominion is almost destined to fail in the end, and I believe the civil war will determine if the Empire will survive or not.

I get the feeling that it will fail either way. But Tullius+Dragonborn quickly gain support and reform a new one in the midst of the crisis that will undoubtably arise from death.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:43 pm

Nope. Always liked the Stormcloaks, felt kind of sick siding with the imperials. I had to work very hard to believe my character could do it after they tried to cut her head off and she saw people being dragged out of their homes at night.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:34 pm

I get the feeling that it will fail either way. But Tullius+Dragonborn quickly gain support and reform a new one in the midst of the crisis that will undoubtably arise from death.

Perhaps. The lack of information makes it a very difficult to see which is actually better and all we can do is to speculate what will happen. Maybe the Empire without Skyrim is able to defeat the Dominion for all we know, or the Redguards offers a military alliance which will secure Hammerfells freedom in the future and still giving them aid against the Dominion.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:19 pm

When I started my first character, I was dead set on joining the Stormcloaks. Screw the Empire I thought to myself. They were going to execute me, and the bent over for the dominion.

Now I find almost every character I make is either neutral, or sides with the Empire. Finding out how most Stormcloaks are rather prejudice. And the Stormcloaks don't realize that the only way the Dominion can be defeated is through a united Empire.

Skyrim is only for the Nords Ulfric says. Pfft. I can't stand by him.

Ugh, not another of these. The ignorance of the forums on this topic can be incredible (and I'm not even talking about Empire supporters). 'Wah, the Stormcloaks are racist.' 'Wah, the only possible way to defeat the Aldmeri Dominion is to unite with a weaker province whom is allies with them and they have already integrated themselves into.'

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:11 pm

Then again, these arguments have become either stupid, or just speculation.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:16 am

You do realise that in a pseudo-medieval world similar to our Medieval or Romanic Earth, the word `racism` did not exist?

People never thought of themselves as `racist` or `sixist`. People just acted very much as their instinct allowed them depending on their station.

I`m not saying it`s a good thing, I just find it so funny that in today`s world we have so many labels and sometimes these labels actually twist the truth behind the situation. Labels like these often simplify a very complex situation wrongly and are often used to gain an emotional response for votes.

As said the StormCloaks aren`t `racist`. It would be wrong to say they are.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:34 pm

Then again, these arguments have become either stupid, or just speculation.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:01 am

'If the Dominion wishes to strike...'

The Dominion doesn't need to strike: the Empire does its bidding for them, even though they have no clear military superiority.

This isn't some hypothetical question of who comes out top dog: they're dragging people out of their homes, torturing, and executing them for who they worship. And the Imperials help them do it. The Stormcloaks do nothing anywhere near as bad as that. In fact, they do nothing at all.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:26 pm

There's the fact that Ulfric completely ignores the Dark Elfs' treatment in Windhelm. And the fact that Argonians are forced to live and work at the docks of Windhelm, and not allowed in the city...

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:56 pm

'If the Dominion wishes to strike...'

The Dominion doesn't need to strike: the Empire does its bidding for them, even though they have no clear military superiority.

This isn't some hypothetical question of who comes out top dog: they're dragging people out of their homes, torturing, and executing them for who they worship. And the Imperials help them do it. The Stormcloaks do nothing anywhere near as bad as that. In fact, they do nothing at all.

The thing is that the Empire doesn't know how it would fare against the Dominion, neither do we, and the reason they still heed the WGC is because they do not wish to start a war they cannot win. So they bought a second chance at a very high price and hopes it will pay off.

» Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:26 pm

I knew right from the start that I do not want to be with them. "They cannot be good company" is what I thought my first time at Helgen, because they were about to be executed. Turns out that my instincts were not wrong.

Still, I have doubts, which side is actually better. The Imperials take their fight against the Stormcloaks too serious and in the end do both kill each other in a bloody war. Just like the Stormcloaks are prejudice are the Imperials blood thirsty. The Imperials often say things like "I cannot wait to kill another Stormcloak". When you see how the wounded Imperials suffer in their medical tent do you have to ask, is this really worth it? ...