I would only want the option to change hair, dirt, warpaint and adding (but not removing) scars. There shouldn't be a cosmetic surgeon like F03, although it "fitted" a lot better there than Skyrim.

That is exactly what I want. I want to add a scar but naturally I won't remove it, that wouldnt be in line with roleplaying for me.

However if Bethesda adds a feature that also allows you to change/remove scars than I wont have a problem with it, I just won't use it.

I second that. I mean its not like its hard to add scars in real life, i already have a few, and seeing how much you get hit in skyrim it would make sense. It would also be cool if they had a scar generator, where as the game goes on and you get hit more and more, cuts and then scars will appear. that would be awesome

After Fallout 3 had haircuts and the ability to access plastic surgery. Unless they're saving it for DLC, you'd have thought Bethesda would have realised it's a feature people like having, even if you have to do a quest to get it. I hope they're not deliberately saving it for DLC. That would be snide.

Sure console users get the shaft since PC users can do this freely.

But then again, if you play Bethesda games on console, you just have to expect some shafting.
Just by the sheer ammount of things you can't unf%#& if and when you run in to issues that would have been otherwhise easily fixed on a pc.

The random scar idea was also in Fable 1, and not everyone was a fan of it. In particulary people who dont really roleplay hated the idea of seeing their character look different from how they wanted him to look. So I think Bethesda wouldn't (and shouldn't) include random scars because it will upset as much people as it will please.

Where as an option to change your appearance can simply be ignored by those that don't want it. It is the more political correct solution I think.

Not that I care greatly how Bethesda does it, as long as they do something about it.



It would be, yes. As part of a free patch it would be more welcome, nevertheless I would pay to have the option. I'd consider it rude of Bethesda but I paid 60 euros for Skyrim and it was worth easily 100 euros (IMO) so I'd stil buy it, because I really need it.

Yeah cuz getting a haircut, growing a beard, getting dirty, getting wounded and applying war paint requires such sophisticated cosmetic surgery that they couldn't POSSIBLY have in Skyrim mhmhmm

Thank you.

I'm under the impression that Ji Soo didn't entirely read my post (another comment he made later also suggests he just glanced at it).

This is not to say that he is wrong, for some roleplayers an option to add/remove scars would be 'out of character' and appear like surgery. I just think those players are free to ignore the option, just like I ignore fasttraveling and the quest-marker to enjoy my game.

Also you can use your imagination and pretend you got the scar during a battle. In Fable II I actually allowed myself to be killed by certain important enemies so that I would receive a scar to remember them by. I like to have enemies with whom I have a history, purely for roleplaying's sake.

for real though i was kinda pissed there wasn't a last minute changes opportunity like in oblivion and fallout before you leave the cave in the beginning. Your character always looks a little different ingame and you can't tell what they look like in armor until you go through the whole intro dragon attack thing. I made a couple dudes that looked kind of stupid in armor with their builds, i had to start from scratch just to fix one little thang. My breton looked like [censored] blackbeard during character creation and in game he was all pale and baby fat sissy face with acne

Yeah pretty much this.

if your on a pc type ` then showracemenu

That would work for those that don't roleplay in such a way that that character ''grows'' during the gameplay.

But I like to start out as one thing and end as another. So from a weakling to a powerful warrior, from a regular mage to a necromancer or from a legionair to a freelance barbarian.

All of these changes require you to change hairstyles as you play. I did a similar thing in Fallout 3 where I started out all clean and vault like, but ended up with long hair and a beard. I would love to hbe able to make similar transformations during Skyrim's gameplay not before it.

1. Give us barbers in major hold cities that:
A. Can change hair style / facial hair style
B. Edit war paint / dirt
C. No adding / removing of scars (Should have thought of that before hand, these are permanant features - and because scars can't stack, you can't really effectively add more of them to a character without altering scars that were already there.)

2. Give us tattoo artists in major hold cities that:
A. Are culturally specific - A Nord may prefer the "knotted" artwork of his people upon his arm, while a Dunmer may appreciate something a little more dark-hearted.
B. Can not be removed - Maybe our tattoos can start to fade after an entire in-game year, requiring further touching up..?
C. Can be stacked - To create "sleeve" tattoos, or to tattoo over our previous allegiances

I might get flamed for this, but Fable had these aspects down. I wouldn't use hair / tattoo cards as they did, but the feature was implemented well in their games.

console command my friend

showracemenu

as long as u don't change race/six then ur stats remain good and u can change ur looks (I tested it)

^^^ This ^^^

Changing haircuts and war paint changing would fit with the lore. Hair grows and war paint washes/sweats off.

Changing the facial structure would not. Other than the game randomly giving you a broken nose, which would have to be toggle-able.

I also don't understand how dirt on your face is a permanent option at the beginning of the game. Wouldn't it have been better if you got dirt on your face naturally through battle, then washed off whenever you encounter water or rain?

Fallout 3 having a plastic surgent who could change your face but also warns you that people would still recognize you also doesn't fit lore or reality for that matter.

A lot of what happens in Skyrim doesnt fit lore, but they do it anyway because it works better gameplay-wise.

So I don't see this as a vallid argument to not allow people to remove/change their scars, for example. However I would be happy with any kind of addition on this front. From a barbershop to a magic mirror, I dont care how they implement it. I have enough fantasy of my own to make up my own story for how I got my new look.

The barber menu was one thing that I had hoped would carry over from Fallout 3.

There are a few issues with using the showracemenu after character creation. I think all are fixed by save/reload?

YES!

Surgery is in Fallout, Healing is in Elder Scrolls. That's the difference.

Made worse, as the mess is now saved. Always, always, always, make a forked save when using the showracemenu, even if you are just changing your eye color. You can thank me later.

What I don't like is the female noses. It looks like she pressed up against a grate and the impress never went away

What I am saying is that plastic surgery was the excuse that was used to make an ingame function that allowed you to change your appareance. But it was just an excuse to allow you to change your appearance, it wasnt an actual gameplay element. It wasn't a way to be unrecognizable to NPCs or something.

Bethesda put the feature in the game to allow people to change their appearance. I like to believe they realized how important such a feature was to some players. The excuse they used was that it was plstic surgery. For Skyrim I dont need an excuse, but if they must have an ingame excuse than you could indeed say it is restoration or illusion magic.

It would be just as ''lame'' as having plastic surgery while nobody sees the difference. Players who have an issue with this, dont have to use it. In fact, I never used plastic surgery in Fallout 3 as I didnt want to change my character to such an extent. Same with allowing us to change our face in Skyrim. If you dont want to do it, than ignore the feature. I however would like to add a scar, change my hair, etc for roleplaying purposes. And considering the feedback, a lot of people also want this and most people have no issue with it.

I just want to change the hairstyle and beard of my thief character, because his "personality" turned out different to my initial concept. However he always wears a mask so it doesn't bug me too much.

I wrote an article about changing your character's appearance. It's had 50,000 views in 2 months. Pretty sure there's a demand for it.

I tweak my character's appearance all the time. That's one of the (many) reasons why I buy BGS games for PC. It's well understood by many RPers that the more your character looks like the person you imagine, the easier it is to stay in character. It's a simple way to keep a lot of people happy.

The immersive solution is to provide barbers or mirrors that work the same way as the enchanting/alchemy tables that allow you to change hair/dirt/paint. That would make a lot of people happy. Seems like a no-brainer addition to the game.

Allowing you to change your appearance beyond that is doable as well. You just need to justify it. Include a magic item that allows you to change your appearance, make it a reward for completing a quest. Say it's some sort of device that the DB created to make it easier for them to assassinate people. Whatever. I don't see any conflict with lore coming out of it. How is turning into a werewolf more realistic than making your chin a little shorter?