Well seeing as he is head to toe in armour and wearing a mask. I don't really think I would benefit from it.

You don't sometimes take of your gear and roleplay a bit? Remove your helmet as you step of your horse and hand it over to the stable boy. So that the guards will recognise you as the Jarl's favorite and open the gate for you. I just sometimes like to look at my character and remind myself of how far I've come. Through combat you can see the improvement in skill but by looking at your characters you can do this as well. For me my character's face also tells a story. I'd like to add a scar, make him look older, change his haircut, etc as I progress in the game. I especially loved doing this in Mount & Blade.

And even if you don't roleplay, it wouldn't hurt your playstyle if they did add a way to change your appearance, would it? It seems to me that there is only something to gain from adding this feature and nothing to lose for those that don't care for it.

I see where you are coming from, but I think that in this case planning your character beforehand is even more essential. For example, I've just started a brutal, drunk Nordic fist fighter, so in advance I gave him a scar, a beard and some dirt on his face. It still svcks that you can't really develop your character like that (for example, wandering in the wild for weeks on end ought to get you dirty), but with some planning it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

No.
Not in the slightest.
That you get to make a character at the beginning itself is generous. Many games force you to play a pre-made character... or at the very least the customisation is minimal.

There are enough problems (e.g. Steam) and genuine lacking elements in the game (e.g. Spears, Acrobatics, etc) to fix without having to cater to the vain whimsy of a few people who want to "reinvent" themselves all the damned time.

I don't care if there is a in-game roleplaying reason to change faces or not. Some people role play little or ever. After all I have a character who never eats or sleeps, can run from one side of the country to another without stopping, can carry 3 whole sets of armor, can be head of the mages guild and never use magic, can run around and swim in little clothing in a blizzard with no ill effects. What's a little face changing. I don't need an in-game reason or excuse. I just want to change my face without starting over.

It's not like the ability would have to be programed. It's aready in the game. They just have to make the simple patch to make it available at any time. It could be done in the time it takes one of their programmers to drink a cup of coffee. Shee..

I totaly agree with you on this subject

This is just opinion, however, I feel Beth had more in mind for game content than was released.

For example, the mills with grind stones right next to shocks of wheat that do nothing with the wheat...

Tailoring could have been possible, and linen wraps are numerous, as is tundra cotton.

A loom could have been included, as well as a dye system.

I do play on PC and make changes to character as desired, however, even before release, I advocated a barber type element.

Again, I see various clues in the game that indicate to me that more was intended than we received. I would say yes to the barber type changes in-game.

If this were at all difficult to implement, it might be a good argument. As it is, it's trivial. All you have to do is attach a one line script to an object: OnActivate showracemenu. The only argument I've seen against it so far is: "I don't like it, and even though it wouldn't affect my game at all, I don't want other people to have it."

I have an article that gets a 1,000 hits a day about changing your character's appearance. It's been viewed 62,000 times. That's hardly a 'few' people.

I am one of those people who indulges in 'vain whimsy' to 'reinvent' my character all the time. That strikes me as being less objectionable than people who indulge in 'vain whimsy' to make themselves look superior on internet forums. I'm not sure why the point you were trying to make required the addition of an insult.

No, i'm quite happy with my (see sig) girl... i wish i could change my perks though

Being an avid roleplayer and having specific looks for all my characters I'd love the ability to modify my characters appearance in-game without the need for Console Commands. I try to make the characters within RPGs look as close to possible as their written counterparts, this requires huge amounts of trial and error to get right and with Skyrim's restrictions, far far more error than it usually would. >_>

In Oblivion's case I had the ability to edit my characters multiple times before entering the outside world, giving me a chance to create an almost perfect representation of what my main character looks like as an elf which I enjoyed playing constantly without interruption. I don't have this opportunity in Skyrim and having to work from presets makes it difficult to get the character exactly right, I can compromise with what I make, but once the flaws become obvious to me it's a constant source of irritation. To top it off, I recently received a 'new' TV, the colour and display quality are a lot sharper and clearer than on my old TV making issues with my characters more obvious than ever, for example the scales on my main Argonian character looked like more of a black or grey shade than the very dark green they actually were, this wouldn't be an issue if its appearance, name, personality and actions weren't based off of my black dragon character and now that I can see the colours more clearly it irritates me both in third and first person. The ability to modify his appearance via an item would be a blessing and allow me to avoid restarting characters due to aesthetic issues that arise.

I play on console because I don't have the convenience of a decent gaming PC to run Skyrim, that is literally my only barrier between having access to the Showracemenu command and not. The ability to modify appearance in game was available in Fallout 3 and to a lesser extent in New Vegas, Skyrim may well run on a new engine, but is it really so time consuming to implement a single item in-game that allows appearance modifications? Restrict it however much you like. No name changing, race changing or six changing is fine by me, tweaking and fine-tuning my facial features is all I'm after, if I want to play a different race I'll start the game from scratch to get the full experience.

A simple haircut, the ability to adjust facial features, removing dirt and war-paint etc. is it really such an alien concept for the ES universe? If Jagar Tharn can masquerade as the Emperor for years via illusion magic, why couldn't the player simply alter their facial features? There's nothing lore-breaking or out of place about simple customisation options that could make the game more enjoyable for a player. It's not hardware demanding in any way, because the ability to change appearance occurs at the very onset of the game.

This is the whole fast travel debate all over again, if you don't like a feature, don't use it, but don't whine, [censored] and moan about other players not being entitled to it just because you don't like it.

Hmmm... I get a disease, I go to a priest in a temple.

So if I got a scar from a brawl in a dungeon, and I didn't like it or it in some way lowered a skill, I should be able to go to a healer, right? And if I felt like a particular quest needed warpaint, I should be able to apply it. Or remove it, as the case may be... And I like the idea of your companion / spouse giving you a haircut, although for some of us misanthropes a barber might be a good thing. And while we are at it, I'd like to whinge about the fact that none of the Jarls for which I am a Thane ever invite me to one of their parties, dinners, really any social events, so I never really have a need to change into some nice finery. And none of my neighbors ever comment on how I look, unless I am naked or have a disease...

Why did Bethesda ever release such an incomplete game?

Indeed, haircut from your spouse would be cool, would be another perk of marriage. Especially the prominence of beards and the temperature changes in the regions. One might want to wait a bit and put a bit of a beard on his character before he goes off to the snowwier areas. I know it makes me cold to look at my characters bare skin in those places, so I bundle him up. Bearding up and shaving later would be great.

Except that the other things mentioned take a lot more time to implement. The character creator is already in the game, there is demand for it as well. You don't have to use it, but aris anyone really enough of a grinch to deprive others of the joy?

I think judging by most responses to this topic it is clear that such a feature would be a welcome sight by most. What is less is clear is how they should do it. As in: with or without ingame explanation?

It could be through an alteration or illusion mage that is able to change your appearance without people noticing a difference (similar to how plastic surgery worked in FO3, people who liked this could use it, people who didn't could ignore it).

Or it can be 'out of game' where you have an option somewhere to do so. Of course I (and many others) have enough fantasy to make up our ingame explanation as to why we got a new scar or aged a few years.

I'd like both. Being able to realign perks would be great on console. I'd also like the ability to make myself bigger or smaller, change war paint and hair.

i liked it in fallout 3 where you could get a haircut

How about this: i wish i was on PC

Not really , but there is something that keeps me buzy about character creation i wish there was an opertunity too save character apearances from Skyrims NPC,s and use them for your own once you start a new character like the priest "Rorlund in solitude
ive tryed too recreate his look when i started a new game but it was difficult .

so maybe with an dlc you can chose an option once you click on a NPC - Do you want too save this NPC,s apearance settings ?"
that would be awesome ")

Or one of these:

- I prefer console gaming, but I do like the console command feature that Bethesda gives PC gamers, only not enough to play on PC instead.

- I would get it on PC if I had money for a gaming PC, unfortunatly I'm not that rich but I'd really be thankful if Bethesda gave us the option to change our appereance.

- I'm already on PC and could use the console command to change my appearance, but I think it would be a nice adition if Bethesda gave us an ingame option to change or hair, like they did in Fallout 3.

And many many many more. There are two things this thread shows, 1. Most people would welcome a feature to change our appearance after the start and 2. the reason for wanting this is different for each person.

Some want to change just their hair, others want to add a scar and dirt, some want to change a minor part of their appearance that has become an annoyance and some others want to compleetly re-do their appearance. Whatever the reason, it would be nice of Bethesda to look into this and see what they can do.

Thank you for this contribution, I hope Bethesda reads this.

That's something I love about the fable series. How your character changes based on skills you train in, your age, the things you eat, fights you lose, stuff like that. Not all of it is needed in Skyrim but I would like some sort of barber and a war-painter.

This is something I can agree with and relate to. The character I am running right now is a Stormcloak supporter, but slowly he is feeling that the Empire would be better in the long run (not my personal views however) and Imperial soldiers would be held to a certain standard imo when it comes to grooming and all of that. So I want to be able to trim his hair up, as well as his beard and like OP said, be able to repaint the faces with warpaint.

I agree!<3
I have been saying this all over and over again D: and no I am not on pc and i cant use "showracemenu" or any mods.
I just want a small dlc or this added in a big dlc pleease

That would be a wasted wish, however it would be nice.

Some kind of edit appearance feature is badly needed in Skyrim tbh, i do tend to think they rushed it a bit to release it in time for Christmas, i don't understand anyone's argument against it, Magic is pretty much a good enough excuse.. not that you need an excuse to have a shave or grow your hair.

Idm restarting. I finally figure out the right look I want for my Argonian on my 4th Try. I just hope I'll do it again for 5th try (Gonna get a 5th Try for sure once I update to GOTYE or get patches/DLC)

~Edit~

I'll support Haircuts and that sort, though I wont be able to do that.
I will support the idea of changing Perks. I always get the wrong Perks that I don't want.. I wish I could just remove those and get new perks to replace them.