Easy there, champ.

You've made claims on this forum that you can't play games Offline on Steam (you can), and that if Steam crashed, you'd lose all your game data, including prior purchases.

I appreciate that you have a deep-seated hatred for Steam, regardless of how irrational and unfounded that hatred is. You have the right to hold that opinion, no matter how irrational and unfounded it may be. But other people can also point out how irrational and unfounded it is, and that's the beauty of free discourse.

Cool it guys, thanks.

Oops i thought this was about beth selling out not e-[censored] showdown 5000 lol

im fine buddy your the one with the started ATTITUDE towards me


lol where? i havnt said anything of the sort, anything steam based i've said i can prove so i suggest you should either link me to this comment or stop making things up.


i like how you KEEP using "irrational and unfounded" its funny lol like im a maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad man on a quest to kill steammmmmmmmmmm dood..... seriously -.-


yet doesnt give you the right to have a go at me with an attitude accusing me of spreading lies on this forum, if you want to discuss my views on steam/valve or what i've said then do it in a polite manner as im addressing you, this isnt youtube where you can be an ass and troll people.


im cool boss... sorry lol >.< btw Rohugh isnt your icon the baron from "The Cat Returns" ? it looks him O.o

i just wish they didn't make master difficulty for casuals.

To answer your question: Yes, they indeed have "dumbed" the game for mass appeal. And guess what? It worked.

Yeah they have been sold out... since 1986 when they were founded as a company.

All of these complaints about streamlining, going for the common factors are pretty laughable. So yeah, the game is more user friendly, your 10 year old niece can easily jump into the game and have fun.
So [censored] what?

Whatever you say, it did not take away from the "depth" of the game, because the game is really not that easy. To create a good character you still need preparation, patience and work.


This is the exact same thing as Morrowind or Oblivion gave, but this is presented differently. And apparantely people hate different things.

Selling out?
When I was a kid, I enjoyed Morrowind.

I wasn't a hardcoe gamer.

Skyrim is no different.
You changed your way of playing the game, that might be it.

Well delusional people will keep throwing money just go ahead. Skyrim does lack in various areas previous games even Oblvion contains why list them? Your just going praise it anyways saying O WELL THAT'S NOT DEPTH that's that's....

Only reason I purchased skyrim was to support a AAA publisher that is releasing mod tools if BGS did not release the CK they wouldn't see a penny from me.

If beth didn't have mod support, they probably wouldn't be in business.

That's an issue in itself where most of their games have to be reliant upon 3rd parties to fix their games.

i really miss when video games were not as popular as they are today. You never used to see such arbitrary and absurd complaints back then.

You and me both

The hud dissapears, how anol can you be.

I think gaming companies - the good ones - know the average age/six of their "buyers."

It's probably a married person, with children, who works during the day. Player comes home at night, tries to relax a bit, but kids running around requiring their attention, maybe helping the spouse with cooking, the dishes, etc. Somewhere, after all that, and before going to bed, there's a little time for gaming.

Now, I'm retired and I play all day, 7 days per week. But the person in the above example doesn't have that luxery. He/She may have 30-60 minutes max - and only a few times per week - so gaming companies are starting to simplify things to cut down on "non-gaming" issues like character selection, etc. They want to get you into the game ASAP.

And I don't think casual or hard core has anything to do with this - that's an entirely different subject.

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this.

But you can't have content, including diffculty levels, thats someone might not be able to play! ...Or that's what it looks to me sometimes


They would from me, but in the Steam sales price range

yes, perks are great additions. though, the system is far from being well-done.

as well, without attributes governing those perks you have less specialization and customization than what you could have had otherwise.

To the OP: is the sign of the times. Look at music, at writing, it has become shallower than decades before. Look at movies, same thing. Look at the fine arts, some will argue it has become shalllow since the 19th C. Now this "shallowism" epidemic has reach the video game industry. One could say that even people have become more shallow. The way people talk nowadays like using LOL, LMAO, etc. is a symptom of the streamlined culture of today.

Luckily for us, the indie scene is doing well in all three areas. Buuuuut, Bethesda is no longer an indie developer :/

You are right. The indie companies remind of children who express themselves with honesty and for the most part without preconceived ideas. Their imagination is undisturbed by other factors like money and whatnot. When small companies start to get big that's when they start changing their priorities.

I am curious about one thing:

How can a company that is intending to sell its product in the first place possibly be accused of "selling out?" Isn't that the whole idea?

I in no way think Bethesda is selling out, imo they are one of the few stand up companies who got big from making the games they love and have seemingly stayed true to themselves.

Did skyrim remove a couple things? Yes I miss polearms, being able to level athletics, and spellcrafting would be cool but that's the game evolving imo, not getting "streamlined" or "dumbed down"(there are things that I miss but there is also new stuff that I don't know how I lived without). I think if its made clear fans miss something that the devs didn't find irrelevant(like athletics) they will try to work it back in, they've already mentioned spears potentially coming back in dlc. And I for one think there is more customization than ever not only in the character creator, but in skills & stats too. Just play the way you want and you'll make the character you want. It's simple and genious, evolution not subtraction. I admit people have the right to be nostalgic but some of the complaints I read seem ridiculous to me, comparing Skyrim to CoD? Really?

Ok I'll also admit birthsigns were cool and could have stayed even WITH the constellation stones, but I like marriage in my rpg damnit if you think that makes me casual then meet me in Street Fighter and I'll show you hardcoe gaming.

Would you like guns or cars in TES?