Bosmer in the civil war? : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:27 pm

Igmund was the one who gave the promise to Ulfric but as a Jarl of Markath there's no mind why he would have right to give such a promise that Ulfric would believe. So as far as I understand Igmund must have quite a high status in the Empire which may give him right to do promises with size of this.

It was Igmund's father and he did, without the Empire's approval, its stated as fact in lore.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:32 am

As for Imperials arresting Talos worshipers we have no evidence that they are giving the prisoners to the Dominion, how do you know they aren't hiding the prisoners and keeping them safe?

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Missive_(Battle-Born)

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:40 pm

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Missive_%28Battle-Born%29

Note he is a stormcloak and how do you know that the Thalmor didn't find out about him and demand to take him into their custody? Tulius is very hush hush about the whole situation.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:43 am

Note he is a stormcloak and how do you know that the Thalmor didn't find out about him and demand to take him into their custody? Tulius is very hush hush about the whole situation.

He is hush hush about the situation because he didn't want to citizens of Skyrim to hear that he is giving Nords to the hands of Thalmor.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:48 pm

Note he is a stormcloak and how do you know that the Thalmor didn't find out about him and demand to take him into their custody? Tulius is very hush hush about the whole situation.

So? Tullius is letting the Thalmor take care of undesirables for him, just like I said.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:31 am

He is hush hush about the situation because he didn't want to citizens of Skyrim to hear that he is giving Nords to the hands of Thalmor.

Even though thats exactly what Ulfric is doing by having more Talos worshipers becoming known.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:17 pm

This thread just drastically changed.. If I were to make a thread saying which side has cooler armor, it would evolve to a typical Stormcloak vs Empire thread.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:42 am

This thread just drastically changed.. If I were to make a thread saying which side has cooler armor, it would evolve to a typical Stormcloak vs Empire thread.

Yep, that is almost certain.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:00 pm

Even though thats exactly what Ulfric is doing by having more Talos worshipers becoming known.

Not the same situation at all. The Thalmor at Northwatch Keep tell you they will release the prisoner if the empire asks for him. Tullius won't even entertain the idea. I asked him on my legion character, after the war had already been won and Ulfric was dead. His answer is still no. What the [blank] is that? There's no defense for it, it's slimy and dishonorable.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:38 pm

Not the same situation at all. The Thalmor at Northwatch Keep tell you they will release the prisoner if the empire asks for him. Tullius won't even entertain the idea. I asked him on my legion character, after the war had already been won and Ulfric was dead. His answer is still no. What the [blank] is that? There's no defense for it, it's slimy and dishonorable.

I'm not picking sides but I believed it may had something to do with Bethesda's "the world itself will not change a slightest bit" approach in Skyrim..

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:04 pm

Not the same situation at all. The Thalmor at Northwatch Keep tell you they will release the prisoner if the empire asks for him. Tullius won't even entertain the idea. I asked him on my legion character, after the war had already been won and Ulfric was dead. His answer is still no. What the [blank] is that? There's no defense for it, it's slimy and dishonorable.

Tulius said it would cause to many problems, did you even bother to go ask him or did you just rush to stab the guard?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:09 pm

Tulius said it would cause to many problems, did you even bother to go ask him or did you just rush to stab the guard?

I said I asked him and he wouldn't entertain the idea, does that sound like I rushed up and stabbed the guard?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:14 am

Note he is a stormcloak and how do you know that the Thalmor didn't find out about him and demand to take him into their custody? Tulius is very hush hush about the whole situation.

No he isn't. If you've done the quest you should know he said he wasn't a stormcloak before but that he can't return to his home because the thalmor will kill him. He decided to join up with the stormcloaks afterwards.

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:15 am

No he isn't. If you've done the quest you should know he said he wasn't a stormcloak before but that he can't return to his home because the thalmor will kill him. He decided to join up with the stormcloaks afterwards.

Actually I think Avulstein mentions that he was fighting with the Stormcloaks. But since he was taken from his home, that seems a bit muddled.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:02 pm

Nords hate elves, they'd let you join them but they would still call you "Little elf" and stuff like that, even though you'd be a war hero

» Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:59 am

I said I asked him and he wouldn't entertain the idea, does that sound like I rushed up and stabbed the guard?

When I asked him he said "I'm sorry but it would cause to many problems" :\

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:11 pm

Actually I think Avulstein mentions that he was fighting with the Stormcloaks. But since he was taken from his home, that seems a bit muddled.

I think he mentions that he(Avulstein) was fighting with the stormcloaks when Thorald was taken. I might be wrong though. I can check it out again.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:00 pm

I think he mentions that he(Avulstein) was fighting with the stormcloaks when Thorald was taken. I might be wrong though. I can check it out again.

Probably, they captured Thorald to lure Avulstein out to capture him it would surprise me if thats the case, its a common tactic.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:10 pm

OP you can always come up with a personal reason to join either side and disregard the political aspects altogether....so either side could be a valid choice

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:43 pm

Yeah there's legit reasons for a Bosmer on any side.

Your bosmer may want to be transferred to the front line as the first site of battle is likely going to be at the cyrodiil Valenwood border, and he/she wants to be part of the group that takes back Valenwood.

Maybe your bosmer is bitter about the empire abandoning them when the Thalmor first came. Or doesn't feel the empire intends to ever take back valenwood and wants to side with the group that has declared its intentions to fight the Thalmor.

Maybe he or she just doesn't care and doesn't pick a side. Maybe a combo of those reasons.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:52 pm

When I asked him he said "I'm sorry but it would cause to many problems" :\

Right, because he wouldn't want to put himself out for an imperial citizen, even after having won the civil war.

You just don't leave your people at the mercy of the Thalmor if you can do something to prevent it. That, and Tullius saying he's going to send Ulfric's and Galmar's heads to Cyrodiil, I found really distasteful.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:01 pm

I'm not picking sides but I believed it may had something to do with Bethesda's "the world itself will not change a slightest bit" approach in Skyrim..

*sigh* Possibly so. I was really hoping I could salvage some good from having worked for The Man.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:41 pm

Right, because he wouldn't want to put himself out for an imperial citizen, even after having won the civil war.

You just don't leave your people at the mercy of the Thalmor if you can do something to prevent it. That, and Tullius saying he's going to send Ulfric's and Galmar's heads to Cyrodiil, I found really distasteful.

It was also distasteful how Ulfric treated Tullius before his death, yes he had a right to kill him but he could have been more respectful about it, Tullius gives Ulfric a last request. Also at the end of the legion quest Rikke says "talos guide you" to Ulfric, You know Tullius hears it, instead he just says "What was that Legate?" Ignoring the fact that she said something ilegal.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:19 pm

It was also distasteful how Ulfric treated Tullius before his death, yes he had a right to kill him but he could have been more respectful about it,

Well recall that Tullius already had one opportunity to gloat publically about executing Ulfric, at Helgen.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:18 am

Well recall that Tullius already had one opportunity to gloat publically about executing Ulfric, at Helgen.

As I said He had a right to kill him . However in there last encounter Tullius gives Ulfric a last request.