What has a 1TB SSD got to do with the price of cheese, I couldn't even justify the price of one to myself but can still afford to buy one (maybe, after a bank raid perhaps). Why get a 1TB SSD, are you mental?
SSDs have also dropped in price thanks to tech advancements, hence I have a couple of 250GB ones now that I would never have dreamed of buying previously.
I do agree the console price drops were more to do with sales than them becoming obsolete, still outdated though.
They also get updated models that are really just versions that are cheaper for Sony of Microsoft to mass produce, passing on some of the savings to the customer. All driven by market competition, not because they think it would be nice for the consumer.

Unless you're willing to learn about the innards of a PC, in addition to the intricacies of getting the mods you like to play nicely together, just stick with console. Less frustration.

Of course, if you're willing to take on the responsibility of maintaining a gaming PC, and you're going to mod the games you play on it, and you're willing to learn how to make those mods work together, then the jump to PC is a good idea.

I didn't say that at all.

First off, it's already been explained how the long term cost of PCs is not a great deal more than console. I won't re-hash what's already been said- read the thread. It's even been suggested that if you buy a lot of games, it's cheaper in the long run to go the PC route.

Second, what I said was that when you game on PC, you have the OPTION to upgrade every ...however many years you choose- I never said 2-3, most people upgrade more along the lines of 4-5 years. I built my new PC last year after using the same laptop for more than 4 years. Say a person bought a new PC the same time his buddy bought a new console. When you consider the cost of the TV, and the cost of the non-gaming PC that the console user has, they both spend near the same amount. 4 years later, the PC user may or may not decide to either upgrade (spending about what the console user might spend on a new TV), or even decide to buy a whole new PC- or he might not. If he doesn't he still has as powerful a gaming machine as the console user has.

A lot of people seem to have the notion that a PC MUST be upgraded or replaced every X years. That is simply not true. It doesn't become obsolete any faster than a console does. The difference is that a PC CAN BE upgraded whenever the owner of it feels like he wants to. A console cannot. It can only be upgraded when the manufacturers decide it's time to release "the next generation" of them.

There's a HUGE reason why. You can tell people all you want to just go out and buy a better PC, but for people like me on a fixed income, simply cannot afford either a new PC or to upgrade my present one. It's not an option. I can just about afford to get a new game here and there, but that's about it.

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Do you realize that the "horrible port" simply means that PC gamers have to deal with the crappy graphics and poor interface that is the result of having to cram the game into the console's capabilities? In other words, it's not really a horrible port, it's more of a held-back game that PC gamers have the option to enhance.

I'd say wait till the Creation Kit it out, which is real soon, and give it a few weeks or months at least. Then there will be more of the cake to chew of. All in all, I'd say you'll have to play it on PC to get the full experience. Only with mods, ofcourse. Otherwise it doesn't matter. That's just my personal experience, I can't really go on without mods in games made by Bethesda. It's become a drug...and I love them drugs... *snort*

The biggest problem with PC for me, and this is more for other types of games, is that at times installing a new game would overwrite a driver that an older game uses. That usually meant the end of playing that older game. One thing that's great bout PS and Xbox is that I can pop in any disk from any console generation and play it without having to worry about drivers being overwritten or other such things.

Although, I like Morrowind much better on the laptop. If you use the X360, it seems to run expremely slow. I think it's the Xbox emulation in the 360.

Hmm, I honestly haven't had a problem like that since... geez must be since I was using Windows 95. Stuff like that was pretty common with MS DOS, but that was a LONG time ago.

That's funny, i use my PC and play it on my HDTV while sitting on my comfy couch.

Maintaning them isn't hard once you have it build and set up right. My PC runs overclocked 24/7 and all I have to do now and again is vacuum the filters, something that console users should do as well to keep their machines in a better state and keep those temps down.

Console will probably never be beaten on the convience front though. Something they do well, or is it?
Do I have to change disks all the time when changing the game I am playing for example? No
Can I use PS3/Xbox controllers? Yes, every last one of them in fact.
And another nail in the console coffin, how long deos it take to load a dungeon for you guys? For me the longest time ever was around 3 seconds, I don't even get time to rotate the models on screen during the loading by around 20 degrees.

There are those in this thread that I imagine would have a PC if their life situations would allow it, others just troll or have no sense.

Really? Because that's what I got out of it...

Second, no. The previous explanations of computer "economics" doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It's entirely debatable. It still COSTS MORE to build a computer. I like your use of the word "suggested" though, because you're suggesting to me that it is cheaper in to long run, to update parts that cost the price of an entire console on its own. (:

Third, okay..? So you're still agreeing with me that my computer is going to rapidly become outdated and cost a [censored]-ton to update, but it doesn't matter if my hardware becomes outdated because I can decide when to update it..? The logic, my friend, is entirely circular. If it is going to take me 10 years to save the cash up to update my entire rig, but a console becomes "obsolete" in that time, I might as well be buying consoles and enjoying all the new games in between because it is inevitably cheaper to do it that way.


The 1Tb (Because the 1Tb has the most utility value to me, maybe not you.) was practically the only reason I bought this computer. Gaming computers are excessively expensive when you get in to ram, drives, CPUs, GPUs... Going pack to your whole "auto performance" spiel, I kind of feel like you're trying to sell me a Ferrari of an ideology when all I needed out of this computer was a truck.

Yes that's what I love about games like TES being on console... unlike COD games they actually show the console users just how much more they could have if they went PC, all you have to do is ignore the lies about $1000 computers that go obsolete in 1 year and you'll never turn back. Its really funny, I mean if games like Skyrim are handicapped by needing to run on an XBOX 360 that is 6 years old... then why do you think you need a mega computer to run it (Guess what, you don't). The PC haters always view it in a weird way, like if they can't get the best of the best PC ever to run everything at ultra settings, then they might as well go console. Sorry that's [censored], PC games on medium settings look better than console games so you don't need a top of the line PC with ultra settings to enjoy your gaming.

Also I always hear about how "well I like my big HD TV thanks!" as an argument to use consoles. Newflash: I do that with my PC too. Get wireless keyboard, get wireless mouse, or use a wireless xbox360 controller and sit in your lazy boy chair playing PC games on an HD tv through a laptop using an HDMI cable. Its not harder to set up at all, the pro-console arguments are all baseless. Stop playing games on the platforms that the MAN (Sony and Micro$oft) wants you to, where its easier for them to develop and they have no fears of piracy due to their control. Free yourself and play on the platform that gives YOU the control. At the very least if you are happy being a console lapdog, don't you dare criticize those with the courage to free themselves.

This pretty much, although having the disc doesn`t bother me at all(before Steam).

However, I was surprised to hear about the loading times. I`ve heard people talk about times of 5-10- even 20 seconds.

My loading times are on average about 1 maybe 2 seconds, sometimes less (if the area`s already in memory).
Although intensive mods or a lot of them does gradually reduce this time, to be honest. But you`d need a lot of mods to reduce your time by 8 seconds!

As a modder, I'm insulted. And that doesn't happen often.

You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Your signature just shows me that you're angry with everyone who owns a PC. Ever used a mod for Bethesda games? No? Then shuttup.

Same here. Mine are usually anything from 1-5 seconds. When I played on my friends 360 it was anything from 10-30 seconds. I was pretty amazed.
Oh, and the aiming lag. Jesus.

What I said was the a PC will become obsolute at precisely the same rate that the console will. There's nothing magic about a console that makes it last longer than a PC. The only difference is that a console can ONLY be upgraded when the manufacutrer decides it's time. For the PC gamer, upgrade time is whenever the gamer himself decides.

You seem to be under the impression that because most people don't keep their PC un-upgraded as long as a console goes un-upgraded, then the console is a better buy. That's patently false. It just means that the console is much further behind when it finally does get upgraded.

Never EVER had an issue with that in 20 years of PC gaming. I still run games from the early 90's in between Skyrim sessions. Can your consoles do that? I suppose if you count paying for a Sega Genesis game on PSN or Live haha.

So, what's your solution for this:

HDTV is in the living room. PC (a tower, not a laptop) is in the office (the rooms are not adjacent). Moving one to the other is NOT an option (let me repeat that: Moving One to Another Is NOT An Option!). I do not have a laptop. How do you propose I get the same big screen experience on my PC? You know, without spending any money?

I always find these threads fascinating because there`s a certain amount of unwillingness from some to accept a certain truth if it goes against what they want to believe. So they`ll find all sorts of reasons to say `no` even if they have no evidence at all to back it up and even if the evidence contrary to their view is there.

If I was a lecturer I`d use forum threads like these to show students how people live their own fantasys about reality even when they think they don`t.

You should buy a PC, there is much more that you can do on it. I will say this though, do not sell your console, because there are some good games that are on console as well. I play Skyrim on PC and console and the PC version looks better. Details in the objects are clearer and not as pixelated.Plus PC has many mods including ones that fix glitches and issues that have not been fixed by an official patch. People even make there own lengthy quests that are crazy fun.

The PC version of the game is easily the most stable, graphically advanced, flexible and customisable version of the game.

Apparently topics done to death need doing to death again and again. I realise the OP kind of opened up this can of worms, but still, who on this forum hasn't heard half of these arguments before a million times? The more interesting question that he raised was whether mods made up a vital part of the Skyrim experience, which has generated the more interesting points.