After reading your post, i wasn't sure if you were serious or not, then i saw your sig and realised you're just bitter.

Right now I play on a 360 (I got it free from a family member) but I have a laptop that could probably run the game - I have the system specs and a card (NVIDIA GT 330 M) that is listed in the medium/low category of cards on this forum.

I know modifying games is fun (I have done it a lot in the past with strategy games) so I was actually thinking of buying a PC version, plug the laptop on the TV, and buy a XBOX-style controller for the PC so I could still play it on the couch and with the big screen, while still being able to download mods or just make small tweaks myself with the CK.

The CK looks really interesting to me. I would just feel stupid buying a game twice. Although considering the amount of hours I put in it's still cheap.

But I don't think I'd buy a new laptop just for that.

Ah...I missed that part. Well then, that explains it. Some just choose to destroy what they do not understand.

Patent nonsense! The simple truth is Bethesda inevitably abandons their patching efforts before they're done. I don't blame them for this, but they do it every time - time and money force their hand. The fixes introduced with the unofficial patches bring the game closer to the experience Bethesda designed. The same goes for mods that enhance performance or stability. Both types are common with every Bethesda RPG back to Morrowind. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tes4Mod:Unofficial_Oblivion_Patch#List_of_Issues_Fixed It's impressive.

Of course, I agree with the last part of your post. Good mods, chosen carefully, add a lot of fun to just about any game. The huge pile of mods I added to Oblivion brought it closer to being the game I wanted in the first place. That's not even necessarily a mark against Bethesda: art is never finished, only abandoned, or some such.

Do mods tend to impact performance on PC? Since my PC is borderline with its performance specs for Skyrim, I wouldn't want to buy the game on PC for mods only to realize that with mods the game doesn't run well.

I never hated anybody until I found out about judgmental wankers who generalise.

I would say yes. You just get A LOT more value out of a Bethesda game simply because of mods. They have a way of instilling life into otherwise dead/boring content.

Congrats! welcome to the cool side of Bethesda gaming

It depends on the mods you use, if you download mods to increase the graphics or to add tons more people to the cities then yes it will decrease performance. If you download mods that add new areas to explore,new player homes, new spells or weapons then no these type of mods don't normally impact on your performance.

That depends on what you define as "skyrim experience". Some people think playing the vanilla game is good enough, some bought this game mainly because of its capability for modding. I would not have bought this game if there's no Creation Kit.

To me the "skyrim experience" includes modding.

A lot console gamers could not understand that there is no right or wrong or compromise in modding. Take killing moves for example, some people like it, some people hate it. Some people want all last hits to show a kill move, some people want 50%, while others don't want any. Bethesda cannot make three versions of the game, they can only compromise and make one that suits the preference of most people or suits that of their designing direction.

However, when there's modding, people don't have to compromise. They can take whatever they want and just ignore what they don't like. Everyone can customize the game to their own likings and no one has to sacrifice or compromise (almost) anything due to what other people think.

As for the universe, we all know the universe in Elder Scrolls games is fake. It's just one story made up by Bethesda. Again, there's no right or wrong or what should or should not be here. There's only "what you can think".
Without mods, what you can think is decided by what Bethesda wants you to think. With mods there's almost no limitations.

Just remember, the universe in Elder Scrolls is not real. Without mods there's only Bethesda's Elder Scrolls universe. With mods there could be Tom's Elder Scrolls universe and Peter's Elder Scrolls universe. There's no saying that your universe is wrong and mine is right or that is cheap because it's not canon.
To me, in single player games the most important thing here is that it's canon to yourself.

I feel the same way, and yes, you miss out on ALOOOOT on the console. I played Oblivion on the Xbox until i was able to play on the PC, and when i did i couldn't go back, the mods were insane, hell they even modded in Elsweyr and Valenwood! I would do the same with Skyrim, but sadly my PC blew up on me and i can't afford a new one =(

Great, thanks for the input.

If I would buy a PC that could run TES properly I would mod the game myself, very rarely, if ever, using others content. Why? iregularities. If I mess up my game I want it to be my own fault. That said I do not feel like I would need any mods anytime soon.

Oblivion and mods is why I went to PC. It is worth it as regardless whether you think you're getting that PC for one game [as I did too], you'll find yourself with a whole other gaming console complete with it's own exclusives. I didn't get into PC gaming until late '07, but it completely took over as my primary gaming console since.

The only console games I get are the top-top tier exclusives [Uncharted/Metal Gear/] or used versions of PC games that come with mandatory online DRM or anything EA because they are kind of evil [for their banning abuses].

No you're not getting the full Skyrim experience on a console... nor will you ever. Mods makes the game your own custom experience. Don't like the way your companion looks? Change it. Don't like your home? Change it? Want to marry a Jarl, turn dragons into chocolate bars, add hair styles and colors? Change it. You can't do this on console games. That's not even to mention that you're going to have better graphics/resolution on a pc. The hardware in a console is like a toaster compared to a modern gaming pc. Truth hurts.

The bad part is you're going to be treated like a criminal even after you hand game developers your money. You will always be suspected of being a pirate because that's what game developers do. They hate pc gamers... especially developers like Rockstar that won't even release pc games anymore even though this is where they started and had their success. You will not have the golden boy timed releases that 360 owners have even though pc gamers pay microsoft for windows.

Yes we pay dearly for having the best console on the market. Mostly because we built it ourselves.

yeah i know, im running over 100, no bugs or glitches what so ever, the only time i recent saw glitches was when i turned v-sync off stuff started flying round the room whenever i walked in. annoying/funny as hell at the same time.

lol.. Does this truth actually hurt people? I mean, you got to be a dork to think that hurts people. Or are hurt by it. They're just machines. Not a big deal.

There are people that honestly believe that just because they just bought their ps3 or 360 that the hardware inside of it is actually new and modern. It doesnt say on the box "thanks for buying our 7 year old technology at full retail price". Not my fault learn to research what you buy.

Did people in this thread seriously just pursuade some console guy to go out and buy a Dell?

Some really nasty types on this forum.

For all of you looking in to getting a computer, if you're not confident enough to build one yourself, I'd strongly recommend NCIX for Canada or America. They're pre built systems are actually really good value for money, and also end up cheaper than if you built it yourself. If you're down in Australia, Scorptec. Trust me, once you experience Bethesda games on a computer, you won't ever go back.

Platform discussions are always stupid.

I will never understand how some people can even stand to be in the same room with themselves. The arrogance shown in some of these post are horrid. There are teens that visit these pages because they are so excited to be playing an epic game on a 360, that was purchased by a single parent that is working two jobs. They want to have inspiring discussions about their gaming experience, only to be torn down by reading slamming garbage like this.

I hope you people feel good about yourselves, because I sure don't.

NES released in 1985 had a 5 years life cycle.
SNES released in 1990 had a 5 year life cycle.
PS1 released in 1994 had a 6 year life cycle.
N64 released in 1996 had a 5 year life cycle.
PS2 released in 2000 had a 6 year life cycle.

PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii are on the 7th year and show no sign of a next generation. Technology is being released so quickly now that what was done in 5 years in 1985 is done in 6 months now. 5 year life cycles are dead now? If anything, consoles should be released every 2-3 years. This isnt 1985. Yet Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo play on the ignorance of the consumer to squeeze as much profit as they can out of the obsolete consoles while holding back the entire industry as a whole. This is what happens when you have ignorant consumers and greedy corporations.

So when I compare an Xbox 360 to a toaster, I'm really not that far off.

This is why I'm such a fan of PC gaming + free files.

Good games + good mods = Perfection.


About 60% of my love for Bethesda are because of their cooperation with modders. Few RPGs have this good replayability thanks to mods.

Again dont blame me for spelling out the truth. Blame the people scamming those single parents into buying their crap. You can buy a pc capable of running Skyrim for the same price as a console. So please dont give me this "some people are too poor" garbage. It's an expensive hobby. If you live in a box you shouldnt be partaking.

The OP asked a question. I answered it. Yes console gamers are left behind. I'm so sorry for answering a question honstely. Maybe we should all sit in a circle and sing kumbaya next time?