Those mods are illegal as well. Modding ANY GAME for the XBox is a violation of the TOS, unless the game includes an editor that allows you to modify in some way.

I'm not saying the games aren't good simply that if I want to play sonic I don't run out and buy a sega genesis. Most of those games can be played on xbox 360, your phone or steam for like $5 on any pc built within the past 10 years. Chances are if you are able to visit this website your computer can run a ps2 game. Why spend $100 on a ps2?

A save editor is not a mod perse, a mod must modify the game, not the save. But that's a discussion on wording and that gets always silly

Btw very nice IGN article.

Oh. Oops. They can't tell, can they?

I hope there's one for Skyrim...but I don't think it'll be very likely since the one for New Vegas didn't work properly. (One of the newer patches recognizes altered saves, I think, and turns altered characters into permanently paralyzed useless pieces of junk, unfortunately.) I'm crossing my fingers though. Now there's no SPECIAL (or whatever the stats are called in TES) that it can pick up on.

Mods for consoles is something we're going to see in the future. How far in the future is the question. It's basically down to getting M$ or Sony to okay it and find a way to make money off it (because they will). Something as simple as using a usb drive to import a mod is not an issue. But things can never be simple.

This is news?
Mods have been an integral part of Bethesda games since forever.

Not only that, the sheer amount of self-fixing you can do on a PC with console commands.

Not true. If you build it right to begin with, it should last longer than that. Moreover, the actual case, cooling system, power supply and drives should be usable for MUCH longer than that. So, basically you only need to upgrade your MOBO, Memory and CPU and possibly video card. My latest build was relatively inexpensive because I used a lot of stuff I already had. To boost the GPU, instead of buying an expensive new card, I simply added another of the type I already had (GTX 470) and went SLI. She is back to her beastly self now and runs Skyrim on max and smooth as butter!

Am I the only one here who thinks that fixing the game shouldn't be left to the players? Bethesda should do that.

That doesn't make it illegal; that just makes it a violation of the TOS that gets your service terminated if they can tell you did it.


They should indeed, but they often can't or won't. This is true of just about every game. Modders are the only ones who can afford to have any dedication to a game years after the fact. This is why they are still fixing DOOM.

Mods are nice. I used to have great fun just experimenting with them in Oblivion. Part of the fun was just trying to get the best possible combination and to learn how to use the tools that make some of the more complex mods work.

That said, I don't think they're essential to my fun. Skyrim already gives me hours of fun without mods, so I don't really miss them, now that I'm playing on a PS3.

It's the same with consoles though. The difference is, with PC, you actually have the option to buy a better one. With the console, you will have to wait- sometimes several years before a better one is available.

Consoles will ALWAYS be behind PCs in technology. They might be even for a few months when they first come out (even that is unlikely), but from that point on, until the next generation comes out, they will be inferior. When were the 360 and PS3 released? 2005, 2006? The estimates I found for release of the nextgen consoles is 2013 or even as late as 2015. That's 8-10 years. I don't know anyone that is using a 10 year old PC. The fact that you don't "have to" upgrade your console every 2-4 years isn't a positive- it's a negative. It means that you CAN'T upgrade your console, even though it desparately needs it.

Let's also not forget that the cost difference isn't as huge as some people would have you believe. Am I the only one that remembers how the PS3 was priced at like $599 when it was first released?

I never used other people's mods much in Morrowind, Oblivion or the Fallout games - just unofficial patches and texture packs, really.

Having said that, I did make my own mods for those games, and I love messing about with the Construction Set and G.E.C.K so I will be getting Skyrim for PC as soon as I can afford a decent rig to run it on. Money is tight at the moment, though, so it might take a while.

Define cooperation for me.

I don't see any cooperation other than the designing of clients like the CK. Aside from that, if there was any cooperation more modified content would make it in to the DLCs or the games themselves.

Bethesda's history has proven this. We can sit here and talk about the major imbalances in the game, the crappy items, [censored] leveling, terrible scaling... But it makes no difference to Bethesda. They're gonna keep on keepin' on.

So what you're saying is that with all things considered, a gaming PC is still going to be upwards of 2 to 2.5 times the amount of money a console costs anyways?

I can spend $600 (or a measly $200) on a console that WILL PLAY decent games for the next 8-10 years, or I can spend $1200+ on a PC which I get to replace every two to three years because it can't keep up with next generation computer gaming...

Where's the rationale behind that..?

That is pretty decent coperation in it's own right, a lot of devs just leave you in the cold and moddrs have to make their own tools.
They have also left the game files in a state that freely alows modding and not locked out like plenty of other devs do as well.
That to me is cooperation.

And to answer the poster above, how much more money do you have to spend on a car to get a few extra MPH out of it?
Performance isn't linear but curves very steeply with performance gaining cost faster than the rewards it reaps.
Is it worth it?
For me the answer is yes, for others maybe not.

The computer is a multi-purpose tool that you're going to need anyways. As it is now, you clearly have both a console and a PC. So why not ditch the console and put t hat money towards a better PC?

for all those "but PC will get outdated that fast...."

play skyrim on 720p , no AA/AF on ~30Fps and even my old PC will manage to do so....and that one wouldnt even cost 400€ nowadays....

What money? The whole... $100 dollars I would get from selling my PS3 and all 30 of my games..? Play and trade is a ripoff in my region. Haha.

A stock, $500 Gateway microPC is no starting piece for expanding parts, either. The #1 thing about my little box is the 1TB and the i5 that were included. The built in GPU chipset is terrible and can hardly run older RTS games... The case/MoBo aren't big enough to support a newer card.

Believe you, me, if I had the money I'd probably go PC, but for the majority of us it is unrealistic. If I could find some drivers for a DualShock3 controller on PC I'd try to get started, but until then, the console is the cheaper man's gaming rig.

They didn't cost $100 when the first came out. It was what? $500-$600? The only reason the price has dropped like it has is because they're such archaic machines, now.

Oh, and never EVER buy a stock PC. You'll get a much better deal if you build it yourself.

The simple answer is `No`. But i`m sure others have said this.

Y`know what scares me. Is that developers like Bethesda may either decide or be arm wrestled into stopping Modding on their games to attract more console buyers either because of Microsoft deals or sheer greed.

Look at devs like Sega\CA they are actually making modding more difficult for their games because they seeit as a threat to their cheap ass DLCs. Only recently they released a BLOOD mod for MONEY that any modder could have made for free.

Skyrim is the first ES game I've played on PC, and what a difference. So glad I made the jump. I had to after watching all those Oblivion mods over the years.

When I bought mine it was $200, so that is irrelevant. It isn't as substantial of a loss as the idiots that buy stuff when it first comes out, but when you're an unemployed American strugling to find work a $100 loss is a big one. I also argue that the age of the machine's hardware has absolutely nothing to do with it. However, it has everything to do with consumer tendancies and economic precedent. By time the second year of $500 PS3s were dropped, the company starts losing sales. There is only one rebuttle for that, price drop. And it has no correlation with the age of the hardware itself.

And the irony behind that is, no. I wouldn't have been able to find a deal anywhere as good, especially considering the price of a 1Tb SSD.

Edit: So essentially, the entire price of my Gateway was based around paying for the SSD and skimming on "unnecessaries." (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227753)

Actually you can buy a stock PC and then add the bits on. Which is what I first did (because I basically knew nothing about PCs).

I still remember when I try to play my first 3D game and it looked crap and I looked at the box and thought, "Why don`t my game look like that?"

Then discovered I needed a graphics card. then I discovered i needed more Ram for smmother play. Then I discovered a sound card would be good.

And then I discovered my PSU was inadequate.

Boy did I get ripped off on my first PC. It`s really important to do your research.

Also desktop PCs are better than laptops because you can always upgraded. With a laptop you`ll be paying through the nose every 2 years or less.

lolololololol

Console gaming left out?

HAVE YOU NOT NOTICED THE HORRIBLE PORT PC PLAYERS HAVE GOTTEN?

Are you reading and comprehending the point?

We can MOD.