Because it tried to light a fart, but it went horribly wrong?

First of all, I feel you are jumping the gun good sir, nobody has even played it yet. Second, I personally applaud Bethesda for taking an aspect of their game that is mostly hated (vampires) and trying to improve it.

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Clearly you mis understood me I was joking.

He said he wanted the Dawnguard to have backbone, so i gave it backbone.

I don't think many of you are familiar with Chaos Theory beyond what Malcolm mumbled about incoherently in Jurassic Park. A summation of the theory suggests that ultimately there will always be deviations and errors, problems and mistakes.

When the ice-lake-vampire went to feed, maybe he screwed up and accidentally made a vampire out of his meal? Mayhap he did it purposely? And that one Vampire, who might've known nothing of living under lakes of ice and everything about the desire for comforts that castle-lords had, may have deigned for something of a higher existence.I've noticed a lot of lore purist cry bloody murder if there's any deviation from the past, but the thing about the past is that it isn't also the future or the present.

Who hated TES vampires?
First I've ever heard of them being hated, and most of the hate is COMING from the fact that they look so cliché. Plus it looks like those ARE the Volkihar, so it's sort of a retcon in the sense that....no one ever considered mentioning they have wings or look monstrous when talking about them before?

People hated TES Vampires not for their lore, but because they're always buggy. In Oblivion they had face issues and in Skyrim they're actually a detriment instead of a buff.

I'm okay with the odd vampire or two deciding to break the mold, but there should be at least some Volkihar that are still hanging out in the lakes and ice.

I sort of gathered that was what the dragon diving into the ice lake was about.

Who's to say the castle wasn't there already, and they simply moved in?


Look at those vampire lords. I doubt the order would want to eff with that.

It depends on perspective.

The Order's policy on other vampire clans


i dont know about that, The Order would easily be able to send an army big enough to overturn the dominion and the legion if they wanted too (they could easily affored it, and if not they could always actually use their vampire ability to convice them to go for free)


won't argue that (but i was not arguing on such a personal level as this one is, i meant the general public would find the vampires blatently evil, as do i)

Excuse me while I prove each and every point you made completely wrong.

First off do you expect to here about every ancient order in existance? No. There isn't a big book of everything that exists in the elderscrolls universe. Just because its an ancient order doesn't mean every peon knows about it.

FACT: Your source on Volkihair's abilities is from a book Immortal Blood the author a vampire. Give me one good reason that source is trustworthy. Why the hell people continue to rely on that piece of garbage is beyond me. There is no reason save gullibility to believe a book about vampires abilities when the author is a vampire. So this entire claim is moot as you have no evidence to support Volkihairs have the abilities you think they do because your source is a vampire.

Oh really available summons in Morrowind included Centurion Sphere, Bear and Wolf. In Oblivion with the spell tomes download you could summon a bear. So your claim you can only summon daedra and spirits is also complete [censored].

They had werewolves in Morrowind and in Daggerfall.(along with a few other varieties) So your claim that lycanthropy is not a TES thing is based in ignorance. However I assume your talking about the monsterious vampire lord transformation that actually goes back a long way in literature about vampires. Plenty of classical tales feature vampries transforming into demonic creatures.

If they got Emil Pagliarulo to pen the story, we'll be fine. Also, they're probably more aware of the best use of Radiant Story by now, so we won't have a disaster like the Thieves Guild, which was clearly rushed in the writing department with all the obvious plotholes and inconsistencies that could only be missed if you couldn't take more than a single pass at it.

I disagree with this topic .... people are assuming when the DLC hasnt event been released .

plus its about time they do something vampire orientated .
VAMPIRES ROCK!!!

starting to seem like your arguments are based on knowledge about the order I don't have...or you're severely over-estimating how powerful they are.

You guys are just .. wow .. i am .. wow .. you take the lore to damn serious. lol

they have ntural vampire ability (better spells, great talkers, ect), political power (the vast majority of them are nobles, afaik), riches (nobles), unity and a hatred for every blood svcker they find "lesser" than themselves (which is every vampire not a part The Order)

although the bit about power enough to topple the dominion and empire was a hyperbole, just to say they had a good bit of power

I think you have entirely missed the spirit of the books written in the Elder Scrolls games. They're written by the game makers to be written by spoiled perspectives. The books are rarely absolute truth and usually propaganda of any faction that the writer belongs to, or instead personal perspective of an event.

Am I the only one who isn't too too worried about the lore? If the new elements are fun, then the heck with it making sense!

Mass Effect 3 said the same thing. Some time around painting a Reaper with a laser sight because of some magic jammer that only exists on this planet, at this time, for this battle, that only this laser can nullify, allowing a fleet of 10,000 ships to fire with such precision that weapons with kinetic energy yields equivalent to kilotons of TNT would kill an "Invicible except for it's eye" monster without liquifying Commander Shepard (Who was less than 100 Meters away) I said to myself "Yes, Lore does matter over drooling fun sometimes."

Without the run-on sentence, yes, it really needs to fit in the world to suspend disbelief.

I agree to an extent. If something is so jarring that it breaks immersion, that's a problem. I guess that for folks who are deeper into the lore than I am, it's easier to break that immersion.

I agree 100%. They have just watched a few movies and now they are butchering their own lore to make money.

And despite all of that, I still don't find it hard to believe another clan of vampires can exist without their knowledge.

The creators of Tamriel Rebuilt have chosen to completely disregard the book "Incident at Necrom" while building the city of Necrom. A lot of literature in elder scrolls games is fiction within fiction...

Dont even talk about Mass Effect 3. You could ride a whole book about the mistakes Bioware made.
But I see no problem with Dawnguard in that regard. It can only be lore-breaking if it was already established but nowhere was it ever said that every vampire secret was known. Our only source is the book Immortal Blood and that was one man trying to find every vampire. Do you really think he discovered everything there is know about vampires?