Don't you want new content and lore?

My point wasn't so much that I think the Dawnguard NPCs will be lacking, but rather I think Dawnguard has probably caused a lot of other NPCs we've seen to be lacking.
My point was that Bethesda seems...undisciplined. If they get bored with an idea or concept, they just drop it. If a new idea comes along that they like, they devote all their time to it (and may drop it again in the future when it becomes boring). While this is, in a sense, perfectly fine, they should at least have the discipline to tie up loose ends in a believable way with a natural transition.

A lot of people are saying "it doesn't break lore!!" Yeah ok, let's get real here: with the godlike ability of the Daedra, it's pretty hard for ANYTHING to break lore. Any time something outlandish happens, Bethesda can say "Azura did it" as the excuse.
But more importantly, it lacks natural transition. We've NEVER heard jack about winged vampires or demonic looking, all powerful vampire lords. Some say "well they've been hiding!!" No see, that doesn't matter. If you're the WRITER, you at least provide some clue for the audience, for example maybe briefly mention this strain of vampire in a book written by a man thought to be crazy or the like.

But let's take a second and look at factions and groups that seem to lack natural transition:

-Volkihar are M.I.A.. Reported to be the Skyrim brand of vampires in Oblivion, they're now suddenly missing entirely without clues as to why or how.
-Werebears were famed for being a real problem in Skyrim. Again, they're suddenly missing entirely without explanation or clues as to why or how.
-This new vampire strain is suddenly here out of nowhere, hopefully they'll explain why or how.
-Redguards have gone from detesting magic in Oblivion with one NPC's entire personality type being that he was the token black guy for the mages guild, and he went out of his way to make it perfectly clear to us that redguard hate magic. Another Redguard necromancer found in the game had to flee Hammerfell because the people there wanted to kill him for practicing magic. Come Skyrim, Redguard utilize magic no problem. The argument again is "a lot of time has passed!!" yes, but Bethesda left behind zero literary tools to suggest such a change was coming. Hell, they pointed us in the OPPOSITE direction, saying they hated it. Now they use it and Nords hate magic....Very awkward transition.
-Shadowscales. They're presented to us in Oblivion like this interesting new concept of Argonian culture, then next game Bethesda says "NEVERMIND THEY ALL DIED LOL." Like wtf?
-The Vigil of Stendarr are just kinda....there. They do nothing. What's the point? Is this an idea that was never fully fleshed out?


Bethesda seems to get bored with ideas and isn't afraid to move on and try new ones. This is fine, but again, at least leave behind REALISTIC TRANSITION for us to follow. Things like the Shadowscales and the Redguard adopting magic, that's the sort of thing where it's best if Skyrim shows slight usage of magic by redguard (more specifically, it shows them as a culture trying it for the first time and admitting they'd like to experiment with it more) and where the statement on Shadowscales isn't "I'M THE LAST ONE LOL" but rather "my homeland is starting to walk away from the concept of Shadowscales, no longer forcing such children to become assassins." THEN in TES VI you can make Redguard full-on adopt magic or make Shadowscales extinct if you so choose. Things like the volkihar and werebears? Those just need to be here; that's a commitment you basically made when you wrote them into the lore without providing any clues for their absence in Oblivion.

Natural transitional flow and commitment is all we're asking for. It's quite a simple request. Right now though Bethesda is handling these factions and groups like a child who gets excited over the idea of building a treehouse, but then annoyed at how hard it is so they leave it as a tree....platform. Then they get excited about learning to ride a skateboard and whine for a really expensive brand of skateboard, but then they ride it and fall and scraqe their knee and never try again and the $200 skateboard collects dust in the closet. Then they decide they want a pet dog, but after it grows from a puppy to a full grown dog it's no longer cute and they neglect caring for it. Then they decide they wanna join the baseball team but but but.....

A LITTLE commitment to your own lore, please.

Bethesda? Good stories?
lolwut?

Shivering Isles and OB DB questline.

-Volkihar are M.I.A.. Reported to be the Skyrim brand of vampires in Oblivion, they're now suddenly missing entirely without clues as to why or how.

-Redguards have gone from detesting magic in Oblivion with one NPC's entire personality type being that he was the token black guy for the mages guild, and he went out of his way to make it perfectly clear to us that redguard hate magic. Another Redguard necromancer found in the game had to flee Hammerfell because the people there wanted to kill him for practicing magic. Come Skyrim, Redguard utilize magic no problem. The argument again is "a lot of time has passed!!" yes, but Bethesda left behind zero literary tools to suggest such a change was coming. Hell, they pointed us in the OPPOSITE direction, saying they hated it. Now they use it and Nords hate magic....Very awkward transition.

-Shadowscales. They're presented to us in Oblivion like this interesting new concept of Argonian culture, then next game Bethesda says "NEVERMIND THEY ALL DIED LOL." Like wtf?

-The Vigil of Stendarr are just kinda....there. They do nothing. What's the point? Is this an idea that was never fully fleshed out?

1. FACT: The only source on Volkihar vampires before skyrim is a book written by a vampire. Maybe you were foolish enough to believe a vampires word on the abilites of other vampires but some of us aren't. The source was never credible, just because its in a book doesn't mean its true.

2. The DB was basically wipped out and the enitre political structure of Black Marsh changed after the oblivion crisis. How would the shadowscale survive?

3. They explain themselves quite well.

1. So any piece of lore that just has 1 source can therefor be changed as they please? Sounds like a really bad way to handle lore.

2. Wiped*, and even so I think it's a bad idea to first say that new interesting lore A has happened in game B, but as we're in area C we can't see it yet, and then behind the scenes they go "Oh A? Nah they dead" in game D which takes place in area E. There was no reason to kill them off, at least not "yet".

3. They do? From what I've gathered they hunt Daedra worshippers, the end. Only reason for them being there is for me to kill them, can't be sided with, can't be joined, I've yet to see a quest where they have a major influence apart from that one quest in Markarth (IIRC). So they are "just kinda there".

FACT: The only source on Volkihar vampires before skyrim is a book written by a vampire. Maybe you were foolish enough to believe a vampires word on the abilites of other vampires but some of us aren't. The source was never credible, just because its in a book doesn't mean its true.

You know its sounds like a stupid apology for laziness and dumbing down the setting, especialy when an awesome concept turns to be "LOL IT WAS A JOKE"

A vampire truthfully writing down the abilities of vampires in a book is a joke.

I find this topic so annoying. Most of the people speaking of this DLC as they all played it. I know, there is a short trailer, there is a little information of this and that. but in the end, we know nothing at all.
So many assumptions, and all disputing of unknown things.
Well, when, for example, Blood Moon came out... a complete island came out from nowhere... and what? That was lore breaking? For god′s sake people.....

Next thing we will stard to conclude thad Vivec was a hack and all his writings are trash

I find this topic so annoying. Most of the people speaking of this DLC as they all played it. I know, there is a short trailer, there is a little information of this and that. but in the end, we know nothing at all.
So many assumptions, and all disputing of unknown things.
Well, when, for example, Blood Moon came out... a complete island came out from nowhere... and what? That was lore breaking? For god′s sake people.....

Execpt there are writing that do conflict with Vivecs and if say the story that the Tribunal poisoning the Nerevar was true Vivec would have every reason to lie in his own account. I believe there is quite a bit that the Tribunal taught we know to be lies. But I hardly see the similarities between Vivecs writings and that of a vampire stupidly describing the abilities of vampries.(unless of course he was lying which would make more sense).

Secondly the bat magic- What a horrible cliche that doesn't fit with the magical rules of Tamriel . You Summon spirits or Daedra- Not small and fluffy animals! It does look nice but so do shiney things.