Totally agree with "But dammit lol, i actually liek that theirs a choice like this in the game and makes ya decide between 2 factions. Its one of the things they brought back with morrowind and dammit i dotn want beth thinking it was a mistake to actually give us choices we wouldnt be totally happy with either choice, one where everyoen dosent walk away happy."
It's good to feel passionate about game choices again!

As for DLC, I kinda doubt there will ever be anything that will be connected to any game choice the player can make. Since if it's a choice like killing an Emperor or killing a dragon then there will always be some players who did, and some players who didn't. Any new content for Skyrim will have to be for all possible choices, so therefore probably something that will only have a minor connection to all that's gone before it.

I felt like I was told to kill John Marston. But John Marston was better written.

Paar doesn't say he can't be trusted, on the contrary, but he doesn't try to convince you of it either, his words are "It is wise not to trust a dragon. I know i can be trusted, but they cannot know this." If anything what that means is "be causious when dealing with dragons and keep some degree of guard up. Funny enough, he includes your char himself as one of the dragons, even asking you if you don't yourself feel that will to dominate all dragons have. If Dragons deserve to tie due to that will alone that the Dovahkeen deserves it equally as Paar points at several times, you are one of them, just in a different body.

As for Paarthanax himself, Yes thousands of years ago he took part in atrocities, but he rebelled against it, faught for and with men and helped free mankind from it. He has since passed several thoudand years training and guiding the greybears and himself has become a follower of the way of the voice (effectively become a pacifist), and has diligantly stood guard waiting for the return of Alduin when everyone else forgot about him. On top of that he helps the dovahkeen, first helping him learn the weapon he'd need to fight Alduin, and then even helps you in the first fight itself. He's made amends for his crimes and hasn't stopped doing so for thousands of years. He's made up for his crimes and actually changed himself. What the blades what is revenge for something they only know about through history books, not justice.

And then there's Delphine. She wasn't there for when the blades were dragon hunters, nor was she there for when the blades served as protectors of the dragonborn emperors, all that was well before her time, she was a blade during a period where she herself admits the blades were looking for a purpose and to redefine themselves, as such there is a big difference in the blade she is and the blades seen in previous games. She sees the return of dragons as finally giving them a purpose, which is good but loses herself in her zeal, she and esbern both state that Paarthanax was protected by both Talos and the Septim Emperors, and this is important, it means that the blades did not hunt Paarthanax because the Dragonborn leaders that they served at the time ordered them not to, yet now she's willing ignore this long standing blades policy of not going after Paar, and is willing to turn her back on the Dragonborn of her time to kill him, what does that say about her?

It means to be cautions when dealing with a dragon and yeah the Blades in previous games were better. I bet even the ones that decided to serve the Dragonborn emperors even decided not to kill Paarthurnax as well as being ordered not to, seriously once Martin died there would not have been a real need to listen to the emperor at that point since the emperor had died at that point.

Post above the one I quoted: Nice Red Dead Redemption reference, even loved how it ended, it was sad but you would also know that there were probably lawmen and soldiers that didn't agree to killing Marston.

There is one, not insignificant, difference between Paar and Dovahkin - the Dragonborn is mortal and his time will end naturally in a relatively short timeframe and then no more Dragonborn. Paar changed sides once - it is not inconceivable that he might change again under appropriate circumstances and without the Dragonborn around to ensure his final passing then all is lost for the other sentient races of Tamriel. In the past, the Dragonborn emporers had leeway to give Paar a pass as it was not yet the time of the Last Dragonborn. Just a thought.

my whole problem with paar is that he helps us not by saving the mortal race but to upsurp alduin since it was not alduins place to rule, hes was to destroy. To me it was the enemy of enemy is my friend since we had a common foe and atm the dragonborn is the only one who can learn the weapon to take alduin down. The way of the voice is pacifism to mortals but not to dovahs and paar is not one since he gives the weapon to cause harm to alduin and even helps fight him. Thats all well and good, but at the very end we learn that paar is off to take alduins place as leader to the dragons. It almost seems like the only reason the dragons helped us was just to take alduins spot. And paars urge to dominate was only supressed when he was waiting for the dragonborn because he had to be at the spot when the time came to take down alduin, plus hes one of the last dragons left so it could be taken he only suppressed his urges to either survive til the last dragonborn came andor be there so he can give the knowledge of how to to take alduin down. We dont know what paars true motives are, but it is seen and heard from dragons that the dragons didnt really care for our plight, it was all because alduin overstepped his bounds. We maybe friends today, but if in the future paar wants us to stop slayong dragons since they will eventually mayne under him since during his time, paar grew alot stronger by mediating? What if at that moment we are to weak or to old to do anything about it? We are only the top dovah at the time becauze we are the strongest, but we are mortal and even our strenght unlike dragons will go away with age, what then?

Remember we are treated like equals to the dragons, but the rest of race is still viewed as a race that need to be dominated.

Paarthunax didn't need to die though...

Actually, it's Gandalf, in The Hobbit: “Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.”

I must agree.

I agree....She is snotty and pushy. I rank her up there with the Thalmor. I wish I could create a faction to wipe them both out.

I don't like her at all even without taking her demand for me to kill Paarthurnax into the equation.

She has a terrible personality and her attitude towards me, no matter what of the different dialogue options I choose, is too condescending and arrogant. The way she imposes herself on the story is disruptive and undermines the flow of the main quest. Here I am, a survivor of a dragon attack at Helgen, sent by the Jarl of Whiterun to help some of his soldiers kill a dragon (and he sends me precisely due to my experience at Helgen), after which I absorb it's soul to the amazement of everyone present and then I am summoned by the Greybeards, something which according to the Jarl who just made me Thane is a great honor, then the Greybeards are impressed with how easy I learn the words and shouts and acknowledge me as Dragonborn, and send me on a last trial.

Everything is going in a smooth and progressive manner, with me slowly coming to my self and being recognized and then out of nowhere, little innkeeper Delphine steals the horn, forces me to meet with her and after all I have done demands that I prove myself to her. Why would I do such a thing? You are just a lonely innkeeper in Riverhood, I am the thane of Whiterun and a Dragonborn to boot. But it is not just that, it is how she practically treats you like crap and gets all bossy with you about it when she really has no warrant to do so. She then sends me on a fools errand to investigate the Thalmor with the help of her pal Malborn, a "serving boy", who like her treats me like crap ("YOU are the one she sent?!"). The fact that you can't op out from her or just ignore her and carry on with the main quest only adds insult to injury.

She also ends up being completely useless in the long run. Esbern is the one who reads Alduin's wall, tells me about the puzzles leading up there and about the fact that my blood is needed to break the seal. She? Well, she lights the temple with her torch. She was nowhere to be found when I fought Alduin in the Throat of the World, didn't help me locate and retrieve the Elder Scroll or to trap Odahviing in Dragonreach.

I rather listen to Nazeem's ramblings for an eternity than having to deal this sad excuse for a blade again. Easily the worst NPC in the whole game.

^

Huh so much anger.

I haven't decided yet which side I'm on but there are few things to remember.







Keep this in mind before you scream "Stupid b**** want's me to prove my loyalty after all I've done for them!"

"There are those that say the Blades still exist around us, in hiding from the Thalmor. Waiting as they have done time and time again, for a Dragonborn to return. For one to protect, for one to guide them."

That's just it - in the game Delphine leads the Blades, not the Dragonborn. In the lore, it appears to be the other way around. So right after the Dragonborn negotiates a truce between the Stormcloaks and the Imperials, she walks up and says how things are going to be with the Blades. I don't think so. Get back to me Delphine when you return from Sovngarde. After her performance I regret taking any followers to her to join the Blades.

You clearly didn't read the whole thing I posted.

Just because the player is the new Dragonborn it doesn't mean she will bow before him just like that. She has been the last (known) operating Blade for years. The future of her faction and promise of it's rebirth lied on her shoulders. She knows the PC for what, few days? I wouldn't bet my life on such a person. For all she knows he can be a murderer, thief, spy or a tyrant who seeks power and wealth and tries to use her to gain that.


Before making assumption how bad a person is, learn his full story. The quotes I posted are a perfect example how rough Delphines life must have been.
However this doesn't mean I agree with them about killing Paarthurnax.

The truth is that the Blades are fugitives being hunted by the Thalmor. They no longer have any protection from the Empire, and have been hunted to near extinction. Neither are they aligned with the Stormcloaks, the Greybeards, or anyone else with a lot of clout in Skyrim (Secret-Fire, if actually a Blade, would be an exception).

What that means to me is that they don't really have a lot of allies at the moment, and they can't really be so choosy when it comes to making more. They aren't in a position to bargain with me. There isn't a whole lot they can provide me that merits me betraying an ally. We united to defeat Alduin because that was in everyone's interest.

I kind of look at it this way: The Blades allowed certain dragons to continue living because they swore fealty to the Emperor and or the Dragonborn. This was because the dragons had no other option but to swear fealty in order to survive. Now the situation is reversed. The Blades need to swear fealty to me, or else they won't survive. I can protect them against the Thalmor. I can help them rebuild (something I've already started doing). I can continue their existence. If Delphine and Esbern hope to see their organization continue, they're going to need me.

Besides, one of the main points they have for killing Paarthurnax is completely illogical. They can't allow him to have the chance to betray humanity and return to Alduin? I killed Alduin. They don't need to worry about Paarthurnax returning to Alduin if he's gone.

I like how they completely ignore Odahviing, who may have committed far worse crimes as far as we know, I mean we don't even have any context for what Paarth has even done, and why it is any more deserving of death than any other random dragon.

Imo it wouldn't be bad to kill Parthanax but destroying his sould is somthing i wont do.

Maybe he does deservse to die but does he deserve to have his soul devoured?

My Dovakin refuses to make that decision.

Well we know that for a time he was Alduin's right hand, which means he did worse things than just any dragon.

By "they" I think you mean the devs, more accurately the ones behind the story, quests and design.

Odahviing is also one of Alduin's lieutenants if I recall correctly, and the right hand of Alduin after the World-Eater returns.

Which only shows how poorly the story was written.

I have to agree with Delphine and Esbern, ya he helped you save the world but it doesn't mean that it makes up for what parth did in the past. I mean if I blew up a city with a million people in it and then a week later found a cure for cancer would i be in the clear?

No, because you're killing your fellow man. Paarthurnax is a dragon. He's a creature above and beyond the mortal races. I feel no remorse when I use pesticides to kill the ants in my backyard, because we're on separate levels of creation. Also, those two events are not even remotely related, so it's not like you atoned for the wrongs you committed or anything like that.

Besides, Paarthurnax believed he was fulfilling his duties to Akatosh by helping Alduin usher in the end of the world. When he saw Alduin had abandoned his duties in favor of establishing his own Dragon Cult, Paarthurnax rebelled.

Ok, I see where your coming from. I didnt think about it like that before.

Still he did those things and should be aware that a day might come when he'll have to pay for all the lives he destroyed.

The things is, he is not actually repenting for his sins. Yes, he did help the mankind, he teaches the Way of the Voice but it's HIS choice! Noone forces him to do that. It would be much different if he imprisoned or something. What is his punishment?

My only problem is the way the quest was designed... it's terrible. Because of that the two remaining Blades were portaited as as***.

Just another spot where beth could've implemented speech checks

/whatcouldhavebeen