Yep, never ask someone to do something you're not willing to do yourself. She could have had me shout her up to him and then I could have even absorbed his soul for her. (I absorbed Mirmulnir's soul at the western Watchtower without having even drawn a weapon, let alone hitting him).

Theres a couple of things I have disagree with the points u made. One is the reason why certain dragons kept alive for a time is because they were doing something for us, once their usefulness is up then they are put down. Cruel yes, but the blades dont see the dragons a equals they see them as enemys. cruel yes, the correct way of going about it, dunno depends on ur perspectives of the dragons. I see the blades almost like the tg, theyll work withe enemy until they no longer need them and will doublecross them all for sake of their ultimate gold..profit whereas the blades will work with dragons who will work back unt they are no longer useful and then kill them because thats the blades ultimate goal.
The other thing is I dont believe paar made a oath to the divines. One wiki states that the nine divines priests were the ones who told everyone that and after playing morrowind, the tribunaral priests have me wary on what to believe coming from priests that . Another wiki states that akatosh convinced and one says persauded and the one say akatosh told the dragons to teach us. All of those pretty much can also go along the path that either paar was convinced or persauded that the mortals weould be able to help out or when paa is told meaning that it was a command so then we can also be taken as paar was doing it out of compassion but as mortals as a means to fulfill their goal.
Another thing is the way of the voice is not a pacist ideal for dragons for dovahs are excempt from those rules. The way of the voice actually makes dragons stronger by them concentratong their whole being in mediating their thuums. It does not mean that dragons would be not atking for the way dosent have anythinh holding them back. Plus it also dosent mean that every dragon paar recruits is gonna be sitting on some obscure moumtain top for thousands of years, paar onlu did that because he knew he needes to be at that spot for the dragonborn when alduin comes back. So u could also say that by letting paar live and teach the way of the voice could be a bad thinh because it makes dragons sttonger meanong that they would be harder and more stronger to take down. The way

Im pretty sure if given the chance she would gladly do it, unfortuantly the path up to him is supposed to be where only a thuum user should be able to get to. since as a member we can get to paar and bypass the greybeards and the uncommonally winds, and since the blades are about slaying dragons, it should fall on tje dragonborn.

She has the balls to demand we kill an ally, but not to ask us to run up with her and clear her way? I kinda don't buy that. I'm going back to my theory she wants to validate her own importance by getting you to kill a VIP for her.

Btw, I really like how you write. It's kinda stream of consciousness that makes me have to concentrate.

First of all, I'm unlikely to thrown my lot in with a group who's philosophy is "We allow you to exist as long as it is convenient for us to do so." That's kind of the Thalmor school of thought. Plus, is there any evidence that the Blades do this (I can't remember any, but it might exist). So if that's really how the Blades operate, I'm going to abandon them anyway and start my own organization anyway, so no need to help them.

Not really sure what your second point is, but it's clear that Paarthurnax obeys Akatosh, which is why he betrays Alduin. So until Akatosh says it's time for the world to end, I don't think he's going to do anything.

Third, I'm pretty sure Paarthurnax's interpretation of the Way of the Voice has it apply to dragons as well as mortals. The reason the Dragonborn is because as long as you follow the purpose given to you by Akatosh, you are living by the Way of the Voice.

If the Way of the Voice did not require pacifism and a need to go against their desire to dominate, why would Odahviing think the other dragons wouldn't want to follow it. If it just ensured them more power, I'd imagine they'd jump at the chance. But the power is obtained at the cost of deciding not to use it, which is why Odahviing has doubts about others willingness to follow it. He considers it "tyranny," because it's restrictive, not because it gives a dovah a power boost and free reign.

I wish i could kill "The Blades" instead of Partthunax.

The tg wipes out other thieves guilds, the champions try to wipe out all the silverhands, in oblivion we was to wipe out all the cultists, as nords we are to wipe out the thalmor, the tribunaral cult and priests was to wipe out the blasfemers, anyone trys to wipe out the werewolves and vampires, the cult of steindar trys to wipe out all the daedra. In tes theres been many of times we have been asked to wipe out a grp or species that harm us or our goals.
also if paar was under oath what exactly was that oath? He taught the mortals the way of the thuum because he was either told to or persauded to, if hes still under that oath I can understand why he hasnt for thousands of years because he was waiting for alduins return and usgons out fulfilling his constant oath of teaching the thuum instead of going off and showing the other dragons the righteousness of his thuum? I can see why dragons wouldnt want to go the way of the voice because for a time, they are there to mediate and suppress their urge to dominate and spend years strengthing themselves. Wereas even ulfric couldny stand the bonds it placed on him to away from the world and not be able to do anything about it, I figure dragons might also. And u could go as far to say the dragons view the way of the voice as we would having to be forced to work out all the time lol,ike the same reason most people dont work out all the time and would much rather watch TV or go hang out with friends lol.

unfortuantly until all the dlcs come out we dont know weither it was a right thing to do or if there are even consequences for our actions. Remember skyrim isnt the only place that dragons atked so also that dosent mean that we let him live paar is always gonna hang out in skyrim, easy accesss to us.
Again its all discussion and im not right though I maybe because right now theres no way of knowing if we make the right desion or not. It maybe that we do a good thing but many pay the consequences like with the neverine in morrowind, even though we stopped the bad gguy,, we also stopped the only thing holding back that giant rock that started the whole devestation. We dont know and im excited and hoping that Beth actuals gives us a glimpse at our consequences and I hope its fulfilling and enlighting which every way we chose.

Also u could also state that paar had alot dealing with creating the way of the voice, akatosh gave the mortals the voice as a thuum as a weapon to be used against dragons, so by not using that weapon we could be going against whT akatosh wanted.

Paarth's oath is to serve Aka in unmaking and remaking the world when the time comes.

The time for that has not come. You're not going to stop it when it does.

Also the thu'um comes from Kyne(The god of the wind/sky) not Akatosh(Time). Just because Aka often portrays himself as a dragon has nothing to do with the dragonborn. The other divines do it too.(Talos, aka Ysmir, aka Dragon of the North) Dovahkiin seems more padomaic than anuic. Hence Lorkhan/Shor/Talos are the likely cause. Dragons are Akatosh's servants, giving a bunch of mortals the ability to kill them is wholly against his nature.


Also here's a little tidbit from a blades spymaster.


So if you become emperor then the blades will have to sit down and shut up

The Gift of the Voice comes from Kyne, but don't all sources point to Akatosh as creator of the Dragonborn? The Book of the Dragonborn mentions the Covenant of Akatosh and the Blessings of Akatosh, the Greybeards say being Dragonborn is a gift from Akatosh, and I'm pretty sure there are other sources pointing to it coming from Akatosh. This may all be misinterpretation by mortals, but I haven't seen anything in game to suggest that another god was responsible for the Dragonborn.

In Nordic Mythology, Kyne and Shor(Who were husband and wife) fought against Ald. The ability to kill dragons permanently reeks of Sithic influence.(Void/Change/is not) Akatosh is pretty much on the polar end of Anu/Anuiel(Stasis/Order/is), hence why they're able to revive each other back to their original form, whereas Lorkhan is the polar end of Sithis/Padomay.

so dammit those nine devine priests really could have pulled a tribunal on us dammit. And also wasnt those books on the dragonblood, not the dragonborn? The covenant to keep the oblivion gates close and the dragonblood was passed down thru lineage and the dragonborn are just born Withe soul of a dragon, meaning that its not inherited or passed along?

I kind of blame the Alessian Order. They were rather fanatical. But Avatars of Lorkhan have always been there during the foundings of empires. Pelinal, Hans the Fox, Wulfharth, Hjalti, etc...

you have really dropped a bomb there sir, the good kind. Does make sense now when u read every stone of the prophesy u get kynns blessing instead of akatosh being the whole wall was talking about the thuum. The very history we base this on could be not entirely coreect thus..damn I dunno. Im still wrapping my mind at the chance of the mortals being deceived about the whole thuum and dragons.

As in Bears You mean Stormlcoaks?
*Falls of his chair laughing*
What is Ulfric going to do "Shout him to pieces"?

i do not like Delphine because she wont stay to talk in the tomb with Jurgen's horn, but i cant really trust Paar either since he, a dragon, says it is wise to "not trust a dragon".

well many people wanted an evil option for the main quest and bethesda delivered you murder an old dragon that turned over a new leaf and harbors no ill will towards anyone but alduin

No I mean literal bears.

Though I'm sure the guards of windhelm could handle it too. It's not like dragons are particularly dangerous. They rank maybe number 5 at most on the list of skyrim's deadly wildlife.

See this issue has mixed feeling for me as i remember the blades from MW and Oblivion and they were awesome, a order of samurai est knights who wanted to protect the septim bloodline and who embodied badassness. However in skyrim the order is a shadow of its former self, a old man and a middle aged woman who have blatently fell out of touch with what the order once was.

There in the middle of a war and are in real dire need of allies so they decide to attack the few they have, its beyond illogical. If Jauffre or Barus were in the place of Delphine i garuntee that they wouldnt make that jugdement, yes Paar has a bad past, but that was thousands of years ago, he has changed by then and the thousands of years gone by without him going postal on skyrim. There logical makes no sense, like others said they are twisting you to their own means. I wish tha as a dragonborn i could assume direct and immidiate control over the blades ans give both of them a choice, accept the fact that Paar is no longer a threat and this old pathetic grudge needs to be let go or if you refuse to let go than you are here by cast out of the order and i woukd rebuild it myself with the help of Paar and the greybeards with Lydia as chief instructor lol.

On a final note i hate to see a organization i loved to have fallen into dissary and i hate how the last two members are destroying thousands of years of a awesome group, but alas it has happened and i have already expressed how i would change things.

I just got the talking to last evening about Parth from Delphine. The tone in her voice when she asks you to kill Parth is quite aggravating. She's got an almost fed up exasperated tone to her which is oh-so disrespectful. "Ugh, I ... I just can't accept my oath and still let you in here". F-you lady! I immediately took out my sword and got myself a 40 gold bounty.

I had read about all this on the forums of course, but to see and hear it first hand, now I know why everyone is mad. All the while the crazy old Esbern is rambling on about some stupid dream he had. Indeed, I get where they are going with this dichotomy of plots, but without developing the Blades more for the player, there is little in the way of allegiance one can feel for them. I have zero interest in ever visiting them again. They can rot in that armpit of a temple in the Reach, forgotten and powerless for all I care.

I think it was Lord of the Rings that made a statement that nobody has the right to decide who lives and dies, which played out with the whole Golem story arch. If someone attacks me they made their own decision.

I agree with this. If Parth acts up I have no other choice than to stop him, but it isn't MY decision or anyone else to decide if he lives or dies; it's his soul to gamble with.

She's extremely idiotic. I was going to call her ignorant, but you can even face her with the facts of Paarthurnax trying to right his ways, but her mind is too narrow to see anything other than dragons = bad.

eh we dont know exactly what paars end of the line motives are since he helped us out and then went on to take alduins place. We dont know how its gonna turn out leaving him alive will play out, but we do know 2 things. One the blades are trying and even their founding fathers faught the dragons. We cant rule out that the blades objective was never part to slay all dragons seeing how in the past and even present day the blades passed on the prophecy of the wall anx Intel on dragons all this time. We dont know because in all the games we plYed their were no dragons to test or prove the theory. Also the blades in evsry game has stated that they serve and obey the emporers and Tiber septims bloodline, and even in skyrim they only say serve and protect nothing about obeying. Im still of the mind that they dont want a repeat of what happened with the empire being pillow friends to the dragonborn being pillow friends with enemy also. And to them, they have the right to disown you because ur actions are against what they see is right. You are there to make the blades stronger and guide them to be awesome dragonslayers and if to them ur acting like ull become a traitor by sparing a dragon that has no known benefitz to mankind or compromise them later on, they have that right to disown u and try to rebuild without a dragonborn and wait while their slaying dragons for someone else to come along to help them. They did well before without a dragonborn before they met Tiber, hell so great that all the dragons fled their land, I believe theyll do okwithout us. You have the choice of keeping paar alive and they have the choice to turn their backs on u for that choice. And before people state that without us they wouldnt be where their at, that is true but we wouldnt be where we are at either without their help. They at a comfortable spot now to where they can go on without the dragonborn, and if our dragonborn aint there to absorb souls, well that wont stop them from repeatably putting the dragons in the ground.

Back when the Akavir where slaying dragons, there were a lot of Blades. Now there's two - a crazy woman who swears to protect you at one point and then turns her back on you as soon as you disagree with her, and an old man who's got tons of knowledge, but isn't much help in battle and isn't going to last long. Without the Dragonborn, they're pretty much screwed..

eh, once they get the temple they talk about recruiting more members and getting the bladesback up and running again. Say what u will about delphie, shes made to get on peopels nerves but i see the reasoning behind her charector, but esbern? that fool is a crazy powerful mage lol, so i wouldnt underestimate ol esbern.

what i wouldnt give for a dlc to actually give info on the structure of the blades, like thier own lore and rules and etc, plus would love to see one where if u let paar live, u get to see a random event of blades atkign a dragon, maybe have somethign smart or snarky to say to ya lol.

But what i really think we'll see if they pull the dragonborn becomes the new emporer, if we havent killed paar then after we become king, then delphie and esbern agree to our wishes,, but dont know if thta would be lore since, they really only swore to obey the tiber septimbloodline. But dammit lol, i actually liek that theirs a choice like this in the game and makes ya decide between 2 factions. Its one of the things they brought back with morrowind and dammit i dotn want beth thinking it was a mistake to actually give us choices we wouldnt be totally happy with either choice, one where everyoen dosent walk away happy.