Empire or Stormcloak : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:00 pm

Because before the civil war the Stormcloaks were a private army made by Ulfric that was mostly Mercenaries that would do mercenary work.

Yes but the legion has better weapons, better armor, more men, better trainers etc etc, stormcloaks are stuck using only iron and wearing only fur.

Actually, 'tis untrue. Stormcloaks are better on the offensive, while imperials are better defensive. And I've used console commands to spawn a few imperial soldiers and a few Stormcloaks, Stormcloaks won because of their more powerful weapons.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:13 pm

Actually, 'tis untrue. Stormcloaks are better on the offensive, while imperials are better defensive. And I've used console commands to spawn a few imperial soldiers and a few Stormcloaks, Stormcloaks won because of their more powerful weapons.

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» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:05 am

I support the Empire solely because it is the only hope for Man's survival. I don't support it unconditionally, mainly its handling of Hammerfell's secession, but it is the only force powerful enough to stop the Dominion's campaign to destroy all Men.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:00 am

Yes but the legion has better weapons, better armor, more men, better trainers etc etc, stormcloaks are stuck using only iron and wearing only fur.

Agreed, exactly why Ulfric wants Markarth I suppose to fund his men with the silver mines.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:13 pm

Actually, 'tis untrue. Stormcloaks are better on the offensive, while imperials are better defensive. And I've used console commands to spawn a few imperial soldiers and a few Stormcloaks, Stormcloaks won because of their more powerful weapons.

They have a wide of weapons, stormcloaks use bows, two-handed, one-handed, shields, while the legion only uses, bows, shields, one-handed sword's.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:20 am

They have a wide of weapons, stormcloaks use bows, two-handed, one-handed, shields, while the legion only uses, bows, shields, one-handed sword's.

Precisely why Stormcloaks are better offensive. Their armor isn't as good but they have a bigger, and better, variety of weapons. Mainly noting their use of 2 handed weapons.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:54 pm

Precisely why Stormcloaks are better offensive. Their armor isn't as good but they have a bigger, and better, variety of weapons. Mainly noting their use of 2 handed weapons.

However Thalmor foot troopers out do both, as they use, one handed weapons, MAGIC, Powerful light armour, and sometimes bows.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:30 pm

The Stormcloaks wears fur, leather (iron?) helmets and chainmail, but still isn't the steel/chainmail/fur and leather from the legion :3

i've see a lot of people complaining that the Empire give half of Hammerfell in the WGC to the dominion, but if you guys remember, the half that they give was the half the the dominion have destroyed, burned and sacked q-
i've always supported the empire, and being a fan of Gran strategy games i know that sometimes a treaty with you enemy, even being totally unfair to your side it's better than letting them destroy you, today you fight your enemy, tomorrow you make peace, and the day after it when you recover your strength you strikes back, it's a common strategy been used since... since... ever '-'

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:55 pm

However Thalmor foot troopers out do both, as they use, one handed weapons, MAGIC, Powerful light armour, and sometimes bows.

It's strange that the Thalmor level with the player but the Imperial soldiers and Stormcloaks don't.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:21 pm

Because before the civil war the Stormcloaks were a private army made by Ulfric that was mostly Mercenaries that would do mercenary work.

He led a militia that retook Markarth, and then men rallying to him began to call themselves by his name. I don't know of anywhere where it says they were sellswords, i.e. neutral and only in it for coin.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:59 am

He led a militia that retook Markarth, and then men rallying to him began to call themselves by his name. I don't know of anywhere where it says they were sellswords, i.e. neutral and only in it for coin.

Stormcloak army was around before that iirc.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:59 am

However Thalmor foot troopers out do both, as they use, one handed weapons, MAGIC, Powerful light armour, and sometimes bows.

They use bows they have bosmer. And there's khajiit they can make a good infiltrators. But yeah their biggest advantage is magic, which is one of the points why I support the empire at least they have breton. The dominion I mean since they will fight as dominion not as thalmor.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:44 am

They use bows they have bosmer. And there's khajiit they can make a good infiltrators. But yeah their biggest advantage is magic, which is one of the points why I support the empire at least they have breton.

Actually they have no bosmeri agents in skyrim, all their non-altmer agents are Khajiits.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:55 pm

Actually they have no bosmeri agents in skyrim, all their non-altmer agents are Khajiits.

Yes I know, sorry about that I thought he was talking about the thalmor as whole not the foot-troopers I missed that bit.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:22 pm

Empire or Stormcloak

Neither, because the civil war is of no interest to me.

If i had to choose (which i don't), i'd go with the Empire since i can't stand the racist Stormcloaks.
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» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:07 pm

Stormcloak army was around before that iirc.

Ralof tells you they started calling themselves after Ulfric's name. The rebellion didn't really get started until after Ulfric was released from prison in Markarth.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:18 am

i've see a lot of people complaining that the Empire give half of Hammerfell in the WGC to the dominion, but if you guys remember, the half that they give was the half the the dominion have destroyed, burned and sacked q-
i've always supported the empire, and being a fan of Gran strategy games i know that sometimes a treaty with you enemy, even being totally unfair to your side it's better than letting them destroy you, today you fight your enemy, tomorrow you make peace, and the day after it when you recover your strength you strikes back, it's a common strategy been used since... since... ever '-'

What I've problem is that they make that unfair treaty when they were winning. As demonstrated by hammerfell fought off the weakened dominion. If the empire fight they can destroy the dominion completely. Don't get me wrong I'm an empire supporter but I still think that the treaty was a big mistake.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:52 pm

Ralof tells you they started calling themselves after Ulfric's name. The rebellion didn't really get started until after Ulfric was released from prison in Markarth.

Probably they have been around they just weren't called Stormcloaks.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:51 am

Probably they have been around they just weren't called Stormcloaks.

Who is this 'they' you are talking about? I know of nothing in the game that says the Stormcloaks were formed out of some existing mercenary company. Is it possible you're making it up? lol

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:56 pm

Ulfric was still part of the Legion when he retook Marharth, along with his men. They only call it his militia, because the whole thing was done under the table, and Ulfric and his men were later thrown under the bus.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:53 am

Who is this 'they' you are talking about? I know of nothing in the game that says the Stormcloaks were formed out of some existing mercenary company. Is it possible you're making it up? lol

Its probably I'm wrong again about lore, that tends to happen when its focused around non-elves.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:23 am

Ulfric was still part of the Legion when he retook Marharth, along with his men. They only call it his militia, because the whole thing was done under the table, and Ulfric and his men were later thrown under the bus.

Pretty much this. He was arrested shortly after.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:09 pm

As much as I despise Ulfric, I sided with the Stormcloaks. In the end, I realized the empire has changed since Oblivion, and while I respect Mede II, I think he is a terrible emperor. I also don't want the Thalmor in Skyrim or at least not to have influence there. But take my word, that if the opportunity to Kill Ulfric Stormcloak, I would gladly take it. After researching, I learned that while he may not have murdered the high king, that action was unnecessary. After meeting Torygg in a certain area, I realized that Ulfric's priority is to become High King, while getting rid of the Thalmor is secondary.

amen brother ulfric can go to oblivion

Isn't this what Wulf - AKA Tiber Septim - said in Morrowind? How do supporters of the Empire shoot this down?

Spoiler

"The Emperor is getting old. Don't know how much longer he'll hang on. So is the whole Empire, for that matter. Getting old, that is. The Emperor and the legions have held the Empire together for hundreds of years. It's been a good thing, by and large. But maybe it's time for a change. Time for something young and new. What? No idea. Because I'm old. Old dog doesn't get new ideas. But maybe young folks like you should try some new ideas. I don't know. Could be messy. But change is never pretty."

bravo that beutifull men

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:52 am

Based on the Dossier on Ulfric Stormcloak we can assume that both sides have at least some legitimacy. However, there is one thing I find very interesting and that is Balgruuf's stance on the war. Mutual benefit for Skyrim and Cyrodiil, military and economical. Also Sybile Stentor mentions that Skyrim is dependent on the food imported from the Empire. Then there is Laila Law-Giver who doubts Ulfric will lead in a Golden Age.

Of course, this is a heavily Imperial biased post, but still it is something to consider.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:08 pm

The EEC opens shop in Windhelm, allowing so many High Rock cheeses to come in.