Empire or Stormcloak : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:22 pm

Its very much true, in fact the only society to have slavery based on racism would be the Christian ruled countries before slavery became illegal, back during the Roman empire and Egyptians slavery was just depended either you were a criminal, a prisoner of war or sold into it at birth. While yes slavery is pretty much the same near Dres territory but rest of Morrowind its different, slaves are usually bought from the Dres or were sold when they were a baby or sold their rights away, also I'd like to inform you that a decent amount of slaves were captured by Khajiits and Argonians in elsewyr and Black marsh.

That's... strangely worded. Slavery was always based on economics, on war booty. Doesn't matter what culture you're talking about. There was no ethnic element to it.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:23 pm

if the stormcloaks supporters argue that the stormcloaks can beat the dominion than so can the empire

The Empire won't have the hearts of the Nords, they won't fight as hard as they would under Ulfric.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:18 am

Actually, the Stormcloaks were winning Skyrim till Tullius came around, making it a stalemate.

Thats not necessarily true but kinda yea.

That's... strangely worded. Slavery was always based on economics, on war booty. Doesn't matter what culture you're talking about. There was no ethnic element to it.

I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS ETHICAL I'M JUST SAYING SLAVERY =/= RACISM -.-

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:40 am

Crap double post...

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:21 am

That's... strangely worded. Slavery was always based on economics, on war booty. Doesn't matter what culture you're talking about. There was no ethnic element to it.

Call me a monster but slavery was very important during ancient times, as slaves were vital to the economy and social events.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:59 am

The Empire won't have the hearts of the Nords, they won't fight as hard as they would under Ulfric.

Says who? The skyrim legionaries which mostly consisted from local recruit the nords, was almost winning the war under the command of an imperial.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:33 am

Look http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-npc-Legate_Fasendil.jpg

So? Someone said there were no non-Nord Stormcloaks.

Like I said, the empire is built on the idea that men- one race of men, in fact, the Cyro-Nords- has the right to rule over the entire continent. Ulfric has the same principle, he just wants to stick to Skyrim (and whoever else gets in his way). There are good reasons to support the empire, but the idea of them as some kind of benevolent rainbow coalition is hilarious.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:11 am

Thats not necessarily true but kinda yea.

I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS ETHICAL I'M JUST SAYING SLAVERY =/= RACISM -.-

Yes, but they are arguing racism/slavery both are just a sense of superiority, just for different reasons. Thus being equally wrong.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:59 pm

The Empire won't have the hearts of the Nords, they won't fight as hard as they would under Ulfric.

Most of the stormcloaks were hot-headed kids coming of age to fight and sellswords >.> you'll be surprised how many nords still think the Empire is more fit to rule then the Stormcloaks

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:13 am

So? Someone said there were no non-Nord Stormcloaks.

Like I said, the empire is built on the idea that men- one race of men, in fact, the Cyro-Nords- has the right to rule over the entire continent. Ulfric has the same principle, he just wants to stick to Skyrim (and whoever else gets in his way). There are good reasons to support the empire, but the idea of them as some kind of benevolent rainbow coalition is hilarious.

I agree with you there, flaws such as "Extra Taxes" are annoying.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:37 am

So? Someone said there were no non-Nord Stormcloaks.

There is none in the game. the farmer wanted to join we don't know if he actually accepted.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:46 am

Says who? The skyrim legionaries which mostly consisted from local recruit the nords, was almost winning the war under the command of an imperial.

Many seem uncomfortable with the war, except the Battle-Borns.

The Empire will have a split Skyrim, many disheartened over fighting their neighbours. =/
Just makes sense to me, but I could be wrong.....

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:52 pm

So? Someone said there were no non-Nord Stormcloaks.

Like I said, the empire is built on the idea that men- one race of men, in fact, the Cyro-Nords- has the right to rule over the entire continent. Ulfric has the same principle, he just wants to stick to Skyrim (and whoever else gets in his way). There are good reasons to support the empire, but the idea of them as some kind of benevolent rainbow coalition is hilarious.

WHAT THE HELL CELAN?!! LOL i didn't notice you due to your new avatar :smile:

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:30 am

There is none in the game. the farmer wanted to join we don't know if he actually accepted.

Also note he was a random encounter thus not all that surprising some mistake in the coding was made.

Many seem uncomfortable with the war, except the Battle-Borns. :tongue:

The Empire will have a split Skyrim, many disheartened over fighting their neighbours. =/
Just makes sense to me, but I could be wrong.....

Not really, most would just go home and the sellswords and mercenaries will most likely go back to doing that, if the empire won most of skyrim would still be united due to the fact that a large amount of nords don't really care.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:17 pm

Most of the stormcloaks were hot-headed kids coming of age to fight and sellswords >.> you'll be surprised how many nords still think the Empire is more fit to rule then the Stormcloaks

Not true. Just look at Galmar and Ulfric for quick examples are both war veterans. Ralof isn't that young either. Neither is his sister and her husband who both have a child of their own. The guard who let Ulfric out of Solitude wasn't young either he was an uncle. Also the Greymanes.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:50 pm

Many seem uncomfortable with the war, except the Battle-Borns. :tongue:

The Empire will have a split Skyrim, many disheartened over fighting their neighbours. =/
Just makes sense to me, but I could be wrong.....

There's nothing wrong with being uncomfortable with war, war will only cost lives, casualties, you name it. However it's another different matter whether they will fight to they fullest or not when in battlefield.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:54 am

Not true. Just look at Galmar and Ulfric for quick examples are both war veterans. Ralof isn't that young either. Neither is his sister and her husband who both have a child of their own. The guard who let Ulfric out of Solitude wasn't young either he was an uncle. Also the Greymanes.

True a few are old veterans but a lot are still kids who want to play soldier.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:31 pm

True a few are old veterans but a lot are still kids who want to play soldier.

Ralofs nephew...

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:45 am

There's nothing wrong with being uncomfortable with war, war will only cost lives, casualties, you name it. However it's another different matter whether they will fight to they fullest or not when in battlefield.

I'm not so sure, but there's no way to back it up. We probably won't find out 'til TES 6 =S
I just have a large disdain for the Empire. xS

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:28 pm

WHAT THE HELL CELAN?!! LOL i didn't notice you due to your new avatar :smile:

Uh.. hello. :wavey:

Also note he was a random encounter thus not all that surprising some mistake in the coding was made.

You get either a Dunmer or redguard, either going to join the empire or the Stormcloaks. The dragonborn is accepted regardless of race, so I don't see why it would be a mistake in coding. It's no surprise, though, that the Stormcloaks would be almost entirely Nord. Tullius' legion was sent there from Cyrodiil, and yet it's mostly human, too. There aren't any orcs and only one or two elves- and no women in the regular ranks, if we want to get precise. So this point is really meaningless.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:56 am

You get either a Dunmer or redguard, either going to join the empire or the Stormcloaks. The dragonborn is accepted regardless of race, so I don't see why it would be a mistake in coding. It's no surprise, though, that the Stormcloaks would be almost entirely Nord. Tullius' legion was sent there from Cyrodiil, and yet it's mostly human, too. There aren't any orcs and only one or two elves- and no women in the regular ranks, if we want to get precise. So this point is really meaningless.

Agreed its just all generic NPCs

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:49 pm

Uh.. hello. :wavey:

You get either a Dunmer or redguard, either going to join the empire or the Stormcloaks. The dragonborn is accepted regardless of race, so I don't see why it would be a mistake in coding. It's no surprise, though, that the Stormcloaks would be almost entirely Nord. Tullius' legion was sent there from Cyrodiil, and yet it's mostly human, too. There aren't any orcs and only one or two elves- and no women in the regular ranks, if we want to get precise. So this point is really meaningless.

The entirety of the Legion in Skyrim are Nords, except for a few legates and of course, Tullius. I honestly think there are only nord soldiers because of lazyness.

There are two female mages in the beginning at Helgen, shooting fireballs at Alduin, lol.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:03 am

Most of the stormcloaks were hot-headed kids coming of age to fight and sellswords

And where do you get this? I don't recall any dialogue about the Stormcloaks hiring sellswords. A lot of the officers are Great War veterans. If you listen to the pvssyr in the camps, none of them talk about just wanting to fight. They mention not being willing to let an elf tell them who to worship, that a relative was kidnapped by Thalmor, and "I'm a true Nord, that's all there is to it."

The entirety of the Legion in Skyrim are Nords, except for a few legates and of course, Tullius. I honestly think there are only nord soldiers because of lazyness. :tongue:

There are two female mages in the beginning at Helgen, shooting fireballs at Alduin, lol.

They use different VA's than the Nords, I think they're meant to be a mixture of imperials and Nords.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:02 am

True a few are old veterans but a lot are still kids who want to play soldier.

Well, to be fair many of empire legionaries are rookies too, with no experience since many died in the great war if I remember right at least two legions were completely destroyed

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:53 am

And where do you get this? I don't recall any dialogue about the Stormcloaks hiring sellswords. A lot of the officers are Great War veterans. If you listen to the pvssyr in the camps, none of them talk about just wanting to fight. They mention not being willing to let an elf tell them who to worship, that a relative was kidnapped by Thalmor, and "I'm a true Nord, that's all there is to it."

Because before the civil war the Stormcloaks were a private army made by Ulfric that was mostly Mercenaries that would do mercenary work.

Well, to be fair many of empire legionaries are rookies too, with no experience since many died in the great war if I remember right at least two legions were completely destroyed

Yes but the legion has better weapons, better armor, more men, better trainers etc etc, stormcloaks are stuck using only iron and wearing only fur.