Uhhh the nords aren't pure, they tried to commit genocide on the falmer and tried to kill off almost all chimer/dunmer back during the first era, not to mention they don't show any respect towards the dunmer and pretty much dislike them. The dunmer have actually accepted that they have to live in a slum and only want help to make their area a bit better while the stormcloaks openly show unneeded hate and threats towards the innocent dunmer, even showing signs that they would physically harm or sixually assault them.

Yeah, that's one part of the empire that I don't like, Titus Mede II. Although he was no doubt a great emperor with tactical mind as proved by the battle of the red ring, he is already to weary of war, thus hesitant to act and signed the treaty 9If you want a ceasefire then make it at least a fair deal). But who says their dominion are weak now? I think they already have enough time to recuperate not to mention they have the bosmer and khajiit.

The falmer attacked the nords first remember? The Night of Tears. I never said the Nords were pure no race is. But the Dunmer are almost the same as the Thalmor in my eyes. If you aren't them then you must serve them or die. Theres a reason the Nords don't like the elves.

Against a weakened dominion.

Well considering the elves take a lot longer to gain back numbers because of their slow reproduction, plus they lost all their troops at the end of the great war. Plus the additional loss at Hammerfell. I doubt they have the manpower to do anything right now.

Oh hey Mr. Racist, didn't know people like you actually existed in this fandom.

The dunmer are nothing like the Thalmor also not all elves are thalmor supporters, hell a lot of bosmer and altmer have shown dislike for the Thalmor.

Yes, and a fully realized Dominion was toe to toe with the Empire, I think it sorta makes things fair. A weakened Dominion versus one province, and besides, they had to think they were capable to try.... =/

I currently find the Empire too weak for its own good, and all it's doing is either throwing its people under the bus for Cyrodiil, and dragging everyone else down with it. The Thalmor are able to freely infiltrate and walk around Imperial lands, thanks to the WGC, and there is massive corruption withing the Elder Council.

The Civil War is only a symptom of bigger issues, and the Empire really needs a huge [censored] wake up call. And the only way to get it through their thick skulls is to lose at this point. And the empire is hardly united. At this point, the empire comprises of backstabbing nobles of High Rock, a very pissed off Skyrim, and a hardly even there Morrowind. The empire lost all of Elswyr, threw Hammerfell under the bus, Black Marsh is completely isolationist, and completely blew it with Valenwood. To say they're united is to say High Rock during TES:II was united (it wasn't).

Also, this whole bigot thing against the Stormcloaks is nothing but ad homenim attacks of perceived racism. Yeah, there's that dingbat Stone-Fist, but the Empire is also full of people who think everyone else is much lesser than them. Also, the Gray Quarter was a large donation to the dunmer, who do not have to swear fealty, and are their own government.

Lastly, a Stormcloak victory shows that Skyrim is very much going to prepare for war. And given that Hammerfell and Skyrim have a mutual loathing of the Thalmor and felt betrayed by the Empire, I could see the two join forced.

at first i always picked the stormcloaks due to to empire choosing to kill me for NO reason at the beginning. but then i looked into the situation more.

the thalmor want the war to contiue. they dont want it to stop because the long it goes on, the more resourses each side uses up and the less put aganist the thalmor when they attack. ...and they will....

BUT,

if the stormcloaks win, then skyrim stands alone and then all the thalmor need worry about IS skyrim. they already comtrol the empire in a way. strategically, they should then secure their control over the empire by crushing them utterly, leaving skyrim completely alone and unable to stop the thalmor andf their newly aquired resourses from the south. in this case, without serious help skyrim would lose.

OR.

if the empire wins, they control skyrim. they control the resourses, the people (more or less) and now can kiss the thalmor's colective asses to buy time to rebiuld and when the time is right strike. Honestly, all they have to do is tell the jarl's that they will support the worship of talos to get skyrim on their side. the only thing stopping them from doing that (i think) is the thalmor having the empire by the balls. they need skyrim to biuld up troops, conbine those troops with theirs to fight off the elves.

in looking at the situation as a whole, the thalmor have made a HUGE mistake, they have taken over MANY regoins without securing them from rebelious groups fighting from within for freedom. they took over valenwood, the home of the bosmer, was given a large part of hammerfell, home of the redguard, and elsweyr, home of the Khajiiti. they have pisses off A LOT of people. In the end, in may not matter which side you choose. they are going down eventually. they only question answered by choosing a side, i think is the ones who take them down.

Um what? How am i a racist for giving you facts? The dunmer treat other races terribly. Why do you think the argonians sacked morrowind?

Nope, they don't reproduce slower than human they just kill their offspring to keep it pure they can just stop the tradition to repopulate
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-first-edition-aldmeri-dominion


Now, now, let's be civil alright? This thread has been quite civil for an empire stormcloak debate let's keep it that way.

Not all dunmers are the same, thus you are stereotyping thus being racist, also might I point out the Nords are pretty much the same if we are going by that reasoning, they are one of the most anti-other races race in TES and this has been true looooooong since before TES: 6.

Yea i knew that but wasn't it said "in the real Barenziah" that the elves reproduce much more slowly? I'll see if i can find a quote.

The dunmer are the racist ones here, they hated anyone who wasnt from morrowind including other dunmer not born there. Not to mention they had slavery legal in morrowind for the longest time. They got what was coming to them when the argonians attacked.

Have you even played TES III: Morrowind? The dunmer as a whole are vastly more racist than the nords, even if you were to compare just the Stormcloaks.

Yeah, it makes it fair I just pointed out that you can't call the empire weak because they can't fought the dominion at their prime while hammerfell fought a weakened dominion.

Don't mistake Xenophobia for racism and theres still a decent amount of friendly dunmer, again not all are the same within a race.

TES:5 you mean. I'm also sorry for not giving the opinions of every dunmer in existence. But it is part of their culture. The Imperialized dunmer don't act like it as much but it's still there. I'm just sayin considering history, it's hard to not see why the Nords don't like the elves. They've basically been giving them [censored] since they came from atmora. But point fingers all you want, i don't mind.

I think it is pretty much the same. A much stronger Dominion vs a strong Empire, both being about equal in strength = stalemate. A weaker Dominion vs Hammerfell, both being probably equal in Strength = Hammerfell victory

Yea I meant five as for the whole slavery thing, slavery =/= racism and Dunmer are actually very much different depending on where you find them for instance if you really want racist dunmer go towards Telvannis and Tears, the homes of the Telvanni and Dres though most Telvanni only care for studying and are actually not all that racist. Indoril doesn't mind outsiders but they hate being controlled by them, Hlaalu love them as for the camonna tong they are just gangsters and Redoran are pretty much the second less Xenophobic house. Each house is more then a political faction, they are a culture and a way of life.

Ulfric seems too much like a power hungry tyrant for me to like him. I don't really like the Imperial Legion but I prefer them over the Stormcloaks.

After the peace summit i decided i will never side with the stormcloaks because legate Rikke is far to hilarious for me to kill.

Found the quote its a few paragraphs down. http://www.imperial-library.info/content/real-barenziah-v2

I personal support the Empire, I think the empire is still worth fighting for.

Except that the dominion caught the empire by surprise and the empire was winning Titus just lost his nerve.