Really? All I ever hear is "OBlivion sukz, morrwnd is bst."

Mirror's Edge. Although I don't think it was that hated.

New Vegas. On release day everyone seemed to be raging against it, but I thought it was brilliant. It got kinda poor press for being a "fallout 3 clone" but I felt that it's mechanics were deep and new enough to set it apart. Story was better too, even if it felt less personal.

Opposing viewpoints often seem more prevalent to people than they really are; considering Oblivion was a commercial success and received glowing reviews and rewards from almost everywhere, I would guess that most of those people are saying that as a reaction because all they ever hear is "morrwnd sukz, OBlivion is bst."

Nah, anything that gets http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/the-elder-scrolls-iv-oblivion on metacritic is not a game that people think is bad. People say Morrowind was better and I understand their argument, but Oblivion is not looked at by the majority as a game that people think was bad but is really great. It's generally viewed as a great game.

It is a great game. Compared to what else was out at the time, it was one of the best, and it's reviews and awards mirrored that.

But on a personal level, I think that a fair bit of what made Morrowind special was missing in Oblivion.

Breakdown for the original Xbox. One of the toughest games I have ever played.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lyYU0yc0YY






Arx Fatalis did not get much love either.

Hellgate London. I loved that game, and would continue loving it now if I could get the new downloader to fracking work. Noting has given me as much video-game fun as a roaring mach three melee blitz against hordes of demons with my Blademaster.

Might have something to do with being about 12 years old (although I quite enjoyed it too).

Anyway, I'll throw in another for Alpha Protocol.

Oh absolutely. I can agree with that. Morrowind was better to me than Oblivion IMO. I would actually say that Morrowind is a game that I thought was amazing but others didn't. All of my friends couldn't get into Morrowind but they liked Oblivion.

Metro 2033.

Well, they did have a PlayStation 3 version in the works, but they were struggling with Unreal Engine 3 on the platform and decided to cut their losses.


Hmm, maybe. My biggest problem was just how stupid he sounded in English. That VA took a lot of otherwise normal lines and butchered them. It's like he was trying to make him sound as incompetent as possible. He did do some really dumb stuff early on, but by the time he'd gotten his sister back (she was like Kryptonite if his stupidity were Superman) he seemed to grow something that somewhat resembles. a brain.

007: Nightfire for the Xbox, PS2, Gamecube and PC. It didn't get horrible reviews, but I think it's better than what it got. My friends and I spent so many hours playing that game, and the story was really good and fun for a movie-based game.

Another one is Chase: Hollywood Stunt Driver for the Xbox. It received horrible reviews, but I thought it was an incredible game. Sure, it was really cheesy, but that was part of what made it what it was; an overall great game that I kept going back to for years.

Edit: Actually, those games might not be that good, I was seven or eight when I played those games religiously, and the only reason I find them appealing today could possibly be the nostalgia factor.

Yeah, my friend said that Oblivion was like Warcraft in first-person. :facepalm:

Also, Lord of the Rings: Conquest.

Although it's regarded as a classic now, but I thought Suikoden II was amazing when it first came out, even when pretty much nobody else gave it the time of day. I liked it much better than Final Fantasy VIII, which had come out barely a month prior.

War of the Monsters. No one remembers this, but this seemed to be a really nice, updated version of King of the Monsters made by the Twisted Metal team. I do always hope they'll one day take another shot at the formula.

Megaman Legends. Again, people like this now, but back when it came out, it had some fairly lukewarm reviews, and was utterly hated by Megaman fans everywhere. Which is a shame, it had a fairly solid anime look that preceded cel-shading, a nice wide sandbox world to explore, few if any camera issues that had otherwise plagued just about all PS1 games. It's a crime that Capcom canned the long-awaited third game.

Klonoa: Door to Phantomile. Though it's a little too sugary in style, it was otherwise a very solid 2.5-D sidescrolling platformer, made in an age when those just couldn't be found anywhere. It got good reviews, but abysmal sales and the series has pretty much drifted away into obscurity.

Silhouette Mirage. Very bizarre, but nicely challenging 2-D shoot-em-up. Did about as well as you'd expect from a game of this time period.

Steambot Chronicles. Now this was a pleasant surprise. Like if you took Grand Theft Auto, stuck it in early 20th Century, added walking mechas, and got rid of all the violence. Felt a lot like a Studio Ghibli production, actually. Had a nicely branching story, a fair amount of reactivity to your choices, and a great deal of customization for both your character (Vanilla Beans) and your mech. Got average reviews, sold as a niche title, and faded away. I still like it.

Fallout: New Vegas. Well, it sold well, and got decent reviews, but it's largely treated as a glorified Fallout 3 expansion (which is now yesterday's news), and everyone always brings up its supposedly extremely buggy nature. And on this forum, it's very...controversial right now. But I in general like it better than Fallout 3. I like the largely political story, the branching paths you can take, the presence of grey-and-gray morality, the general world-building, and how it expands on what was established in the first two Fallouts. It also had some of the best DLCs out there! I wonder if this is a game that will eventually be venerated in the coming years? I hope so.

As an addendum to the above, I'll also add Dead Money. By far, it appears to be the least popular of NV DLCs due to its seemingly trial-and-error nature, but I liked it. It offered an experience that differed greatly than what you find in the regular game, and made for a great challenge without relying on bullet sponge enemies. The environment itself was the enemy, and it forced you to proceed cautiously everywhere you go. Liked the quasi-puzzle elements of reprogramming Hologram routines in order to get around them, the different benefits your companions would bestow on you, and the escape sequence at the end. And to say nothing about the atmosphere and writing...:wub:

Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway

SW:KotORII:tSL was way better than the first game, in my opinion. I've also never experienced a bug in this game.

DA][ was just as good as DA:O, in my opinion. It had some serious trade-offs, but I loved the art direction, the pacing, the combat, the RPG mechanics, the dialog, and a few other things. What can I say, I guess I have minority tastes.

I loved the hell out of Gladius, but AFAIK nobody but me really cared about this game.

Yep. I assume most of the Oblivion hate is from people like me, who loved Morrowind and were looking for the game type of game in a different environment. If you wanted Morrowind 2.0 you probably hated Oblivion, if you took it for what it was as a game it obviously rated much higher. I also had a bunch of technical problems with my 360 version of the game, so that didn't help at all.

I have the PC GOTY version in my Steam account, I am going to finish grabbing some mods and give it another shot here sometime soon and see how I feel about it without the pressure of the expectations I had.

Heh, Suikoden II (my favorite JRPG), Klonoa: Door to Phantomile (my favorite platform game) and Steambot Chronicles are among my favorite games of all time. And Megaman Legends is quite nice too.


I thought they dropped the PS3 version simply because the game sold way below expectations for both the 360 and PC, and they thought it would flop on the PS3 then too.

I remember this one, had a lot of fun battling against friends and wreaking havoc in split screen. :devil:

*gains my respect* One of my favorite games of my childhood.

More recently, Ace Combat Assault Horizon doesn't seem to get much love, but i like it ^_^

Apparently Tenchu Z wasn't really well-received by fans but I absolutely loved the game.

I didn't get to this until it was ported to the Nintendo 64, but I had my dad out at the store forking over $60 for it the day it came out. Absolutely loved it. Upgrading weapons and items, exploring the ruins, awesome boss fights, etc. Then Legends 2 comes along and really gets me interested in the story of Elysium.

I thought I'd finally get some closure with Legends 3, but..


That could be it. I know the PS3 version was delayed due to UE3 issues on PS3 and eventually Square just went silent on it, but I wouldn't be surprised if poor sales led to it's cancellation.

These two are kind of specific to this forum, but:

Oblivion. People are SO unforgiving to this game and I cannot understand why. You'd think this game killed people's parents or something. You know, I can agree that Oblivion doesn't stand up to Morrowind. I like Morrowind better too, but Oblivion is an absolutely stunning and amazing game. It's a different feeling than Morrowind. It's great in its own way.

Fallout New Vegas. Why the hell do people like FO3 better? I never understand. I keep trying to play through FO3 again and I get terribly bored. I think maybe it's due to the main questlines of each game. In New Vegas, I start off tracking down the guy who shot me in the head, as well as searching for answers as to why, and what was so important about my package, and all these other things. In Fallout 3, I'm looking for my dad. That's it. I leave the vault for the first time in my life and see this vast, open world, not a bunch of steel walls closing in, but a sky and landscape as far as I can see. It's the most amazing thing my character has ever witnessed in his/her life, and yet I'm supposed to go looking for my father still? My father who left me in the vault and almost got me killed? Screw that. I don't care. And I can only have so much fun just wandering around without any purpose. And it's been a few years since I've beaten FO3, but as I recall, the MQ doesn't get much more interesting after I find my dad either. In New Vegas, it gets even more interesting, especially after meeting Mr. House and Caesar.
As a side note, I hear people complain to no end about the bugs in New Vegas. Well, I don't recall encountering any.


Next up:

Dragon Age 2. Why the hell do people dislike this? Okay, they took out the camp and removed the races. So what? The story is a thousand times better and more in-depth than Dragon Age 1 by a long shot. The characters are more interesting and you can make a much greater connection with each one. Plus, the fact that my character is voice acted makes me really feel like my character is a part of the in-game world just as much as any other character.