Just how am I being elitist? And calm down with the insults.

Edit. Forget it, let's not make it a platform war, just disregard my previous post. I'm outta here before things get ugly.

Don't be ridiculous. TES has a rich history of modding; they know there'll be blood if they charge for mod creation. But I wouldn't have bought it without mod support; a game like this needs it.

See your quote below on another thread about adding roads to the map. Apply here.


Not that I don't want some things fixed, it probably was something easy to put into the patch compared to fixing bugged followers etc.... Some of the things "you" want might be in later patches. Relax and wait.

A few years ago I would have agreed with you. Remember when gamesas released "DLC" when they were called plugins? They were completely free, and I specifically remember when companies started charging for extra content and there were truck loads of people making threads saying "Bethesda would never charge for it, they make it for free!" Well, look what happened.

A valid point. I remember Howard saying they weren't even sure they were going to have mounts in Skyrim if they couldn't get them to look good, but enough people wanted them so they included it.

Horse Armour isn't the whole world of DLC. It has potential. Plenty of other companies have got it right; look at Shogun 2. DLC is an ambiguous term; it could be a useless aesthetic thing or a legitimate expansion.

Well I was talking about the Morrowind plugins, La Femme armor, Adamantium armor, Fort Firemoth, enchantable arrows, Vivec archery shop. Those I remember being free. But yeah DLC can mean a number of things, full blown expansions I have no problem paying for. Tribunal, Bloodmoon, and SI were all worth the money.

No, I wouldn't buy it, not in it's current vanilla state that is. But the amount of people who mod the game is still a minority, as is the amount of people who won't buy a game if it isn't modable. Off course it's a premium for the marketing & sales department that they support fan made content. There's no sense in denying that. But it still makes no sense whats however stating that PC players get the shaft in this deal.

Please be more exact in why you believe PC players get the shaft here. I might even go along with you if you can represent a valid argument that has any weight to it. (Apart from poor optimization which seems to be an engine issue since it's evident on the consoles as well. And apart from the lack of DX11 (or whatever fx feature) support, which is moot imho because gameplay should imho always outweigh eye candy.) Most issues for PC players can and will be (or already are) fixed, mods ftw.

I strongly strongly disagree that Bethesda would consider ditching the CS for an upcoming game. Fan made content has been a key part of their policy since Morrowind.

Charging for it is a whole other matter. I'm 100% sure the cost of supporting the CS is already represented in the (total) revenues they expect to get from the game. Nothing is for free.

Baby Khijiitens, how adorable.

PS3 owners only got Shivering Isles and Knights of the Nine for Oblivion. There was so much we never got. We feel very cheated by Beth over the years. I for one would like to see at least one PS3 only piece of content, especially after the Lag episode with Skyrim.

In another direction.... it is well known that many game companies remove or back out of their games certain content to be able to offer that contnent later as DLC content.

The kill-cams "feel" like that may be the case. From the blogs we know "pikes" (spears) were in the game and then removed (presumably for problems), so if the intent was to ship it with the game, but were removed to fix glitches, - I would like those items to be free. If we are getting the ability to build homes or get "large" new quests I would be happy to pay for those.

I never really understood exactly what the problems PS3 owners were having was all about, was it a hardware issue or...?

Anyone care to enlighten me?

Ah nvm, I just googled it. So immense lag/slow down problems?

Cool! I did not know this. Will try it when i get home. Thanks.

I want less kill cams, not more

for real though how can you be so childish over something that was accidently revealed. First of all lots of people were really excited about that. No, not me. Would I rather have 1st person horse and werewolf? Yes, in fact its literally #1 on my wishlist for 1.5 and future patches. But did I make a thread about how pissy I am that the leaked info about the next patch didn't mention it? No. I just hope and wait and see and I'll be pissy when they at least make the announcement/tentative patch notes official. Chill out bro

Because an accidental twitter post stating that kill cams for ranged & magic will be coming in patch 1.5 means that all that will be coming with patch 1.5 is kill cams for ranged and magic.


God people are thick.

I removed a few posts. Resorting to sarcastic and personal attacks rather kills any posts you have made and shows that you are only here to troll and unable to sustain any valuable discussion. It is a sure way to get a topic closed and gain time away from the forum.

Bethesda certainly do read these forums and take note of everything that is said, however, there is a small vocal gang of members who post the same thing time after time. I see them and roll my eyes, I am sure that others do as well. Constructive, civil, well thought out and presented and helpful posts are good, repetitive, rude and uninformed posts are a waste of time.

+900000!!!!!!!

Really? I must try this. Thank you!

Come on, give them a break! Making "new shiny trinkets" probably takes a lot less time than fixing existing things.

Depends on what you call "stable". You're on the back of a horse after all.

im just worried about how kill cams will work. say you wanna heal yourself as your running for cover, and all of a sudden.. BOOM! kill camed by a fireball.

How do you even know what's on 1.5?

Its frankly pretty amazing we get something from the gamejam in a PATCH, not a DLC, and there are complaints . Its a really great precedent seems to me. I hope you guys who hate them get your bloody toggle but I personally like them and updating them like this seems incredibly generous to me and I hope the ungrateful reaction doesn't push the other gamejam stuff into DLC instead.

Was that confirmed? The gamejam stuff is free?

If that's true then you just made my day buddy.

No its not as a whole but the extra killcams being mentioned are something from the gamejam themselves and if in the patch are for free.

"They didn't add the things I wanted most so that must mean they don't care about their real fans!"

okay.


But the fact that they are adding things from game jam to free patches is a good thing, it means we are probably going to get other things they showed us.

if we stick together, they will know. ive seen too many people brush off this issue like its not an issue because they play in full heavy armor 100 smithing 100 enchanting on adept. we must all stick together. ill help you get deathcam fix if you get my back on a side roll