House preaches how he has done so much good for mankind and how he will save us all and new vegas. Thats the diffrence. At least the NCR and hell ceasers legion are relatively honest about their ambitions in the mojave. Name something selfless House did? You will probably mention rebuilding the strip but several people were killed by his securitrons during it. And then he dumped the rest in the gutter [freeside]. And if the kings try to help rebuild freeside with the NCR then house slaughters them. And most people seem to prefer NCR to House.

Maybe he truly believes he is helping mankind, then his idea of helping mankind is sick.

You're failing to understand, some people see helping humanity as doing what the Followers do, which is kissing every little boo boo and scraqe that people get, that is nice and all, the problem with it is humanity is crawling at a baby crawling speed. The way House is saving humanity is it's progress, The Strip is not selfless, nor would I be full enough to say it is, but The Strip is just a mere fledgling example of what House, if given the chance, can given humanity. Safe streets, running water, lights at night. street lights and eventually, maybe even a functioning vehicle industry again.

I accept house is no follower. But he crosses the line when he kills innocents i think. The Strip is nothing but pretty lights, a few casinos with cannibals, people who drug their prosttutes, and the tops. A bit of luxury for the rich. As for the safe streets, running water ect, the NCR does all that and dosnt kill civilians. Ceasers legion probably could give its citizens safe streets, lights at night ect. So why should we side with house. For the most part all house has created is more misery and death.

And let's not forget about



And there's also the way he expects you to bring him that chip because of it being a contract. That however is not how contracts works, you got robbed and that's it, your contract is ended.

There's also some lack of dialog options when you talk to him. I think it would be better if you could debate with him. When you first meet him, he asks you what you think of the place, but you can only tell him you like it. You can't give a response telling him that he created an abomination, a place of sin, gamblers, prosttutes and whatever Vulpes told you about Nipton (well you can, but that option also adds 'what's not to love', so it no longer covers what I want to tell him).

Another missing option is the BOS approach, first when you meet him you should be able to inform him that his tech should be left in far more capable hands. But I also doubt that when he asks you to destroy the BOS, you can inform him you're a BOS Paladin (well if you are one, it should be an option to tell him at that point). Correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't followed the House line that far yet, I'll try to find out what happens when I walk towards the Strip wearing BOS Power Armor (the faction armor, just to be clear).

Also, I don't see much of a philosophy in House, but IMO he does rely far too much on advanced old world technology and resources, technology that he can't reproduce and resources that no longer exist. Caesar is some kind of reset, rebuilding humanity from the very beginning, not relying on modern technology. For the NCR I'd have to say they'll try to bring democracy and freedom wherever they go. In Yes Man I can see the principle of self governance.

"What's not to love" can be a bitter irony......

But yes, I would agree House dwells in his little fantasy that people are just like they were pre-war.

That's not his dream, his dream is that humanity can become just like it again.

NCR does that. And dosnt kill civilians.

Really? Because Bittersprings was just a tea party huh?. Also, look at the NCR in Fallout 2, it's pretty self evident that the NCR uses a myriad of tactics that are not very public friendly. Also, the NCR paid mercs to try and provoke the Jacobstown mutants into a fight so they could kill them. NCR isn't the glorious white knight on a steed that some seem to see them as.

No, what I mean is House didn't accept the fact that the world have changed. It seems like he thinks the wasteland is just few things broken here and there. Like bad karma said, infrastructures outside of Mojave are devastated, and possibility having people who would rather fight then cooperate sitting on it.

House just couldn't let go and begin anew.

Well, to the OP, it's generally like trying to find a positive reason to help Ceaser's (or 'kai-sar' for us latin learnings) Legion or NCR or even Yes Man.

Mainly on how your morality and political mind is, and how YOU percieve things. For example I see the NCR in this game as nothing more than a parody to liberalization at the highest level, having dis-organization and perhaps even more secret message. But that's me and my thoughts.

Yours will be different, and on the 'why' to help Mr. House is the same part on 'why' people seem to fathom over Andrew Ryan in Bioshock. It's because the are human intellegience at a both dangerous yet intoxicating level and both seem to have that part of amorality that comes when trying to build an impossible utopian/ultra-rightist place.

Mostly an 'if you work you will gain something and you will only gain it!' type of spectrum. But that is also where I tend to lose sympathy with both mad-men.

So say you have New Vegas in House/Ryans world, what happens? In the idealistic sense: it prospers and becomes wealthy due to tourism and everyone working their part in House's little game.

In Reality it'll become a Dominican Republic fascade; big economic uptimes but poverty at a major turn. The three families, those who own the casinos, will obvious become the Mafias of the city. They can do anything as long as it fits within Mr. House's little game of power, so they may attack each other if it can become benefital.

Say for instance the Gomarrah succeed in its gassing of the other casinos, along with blowing up the NCR embassy. What happens? The Tourists leave, so Mr House punishes them. But what if they only took the casinos money, framed them, and launched a huge campaign for their own profits? Mr House would not eve let a securitron investigate before demanding to be apart of 60% of the profits. Which, of course, they must allow since he is their boss.

Same thing with vendors, who he gains a 5% of their incomes. Which, generally, would be: he gains 4-5 bottle caps on the average day of a vendor in New Vegas.
Though that means the vendor will have only 10 to 15 bottle caps if they made 20 bottle caps. 15 bottle caps can not buy you anything within New Vegas nor in Freeside or Westside. It's useless, so they continue until they can earn a substantial profit.

So 20 bottle caps per day with a 5% giving to securitrons in a whole year? The vendor would have, at least if the world is perfect for them, 7,300 bottle caps. But with the 5% from Mr House, 365 bottle caps goes to him. And then there's also the casinos that would take money from them but we don't know this offically.

The vendor has at least 6,135 bottle caps. Enough to get you about 20 plasma rifles or 500 iguana on a stake.(or maybe 600...)

Though the vendor isn't going to do this. They live in 'New Vegas' where "fortunes are won and lost in the blink of an eye.."

Coming up with statistics for spending, the vendor will use 20% of his earnings on requirements of life. So thats about 1,227 bottle caps, good enough for someone in New Vegas to last three to four months.

The rest? Will go into his gambiling to obtain more profits, which then it depends on which game he plays and if he wins or not.

After that lets say the Vendor won 15 out of 45 gambilings, using 10% of his savings each time. So with 4,028 caps he has from his investments into 'life' he'll gain about...(calculating..) 1,342 caps he won. Though that means he spent about 403 caps at each bet. Multipying that by the amount of losses (30) gives us a total of 1,290 caps he lost while gambling.

So he gained a total profit, while done with his spree of everything, of 52 bottle caps in gambiling profits.

Adding and substration will give us a grave thing; he only has 3,080 caps now. 3000 is not a bad thing, but it also means that just by only winning 15 games out of 45 will give us half of the number we had if we had not spent on our requirments for life.

Not to mention he'll have to use what he can from the bodyguards on each trip from New Vegas strip to freeside to get more supplies (unless you want to pay to live in a casino), along with paying for the meat and perhaps recieving or paying for damage fighting caused.


What a fun way of economics by assuming the best and then the worst, huh kids?

Life as a vendor, will not be fun..

Bittersprings was a mistake. The NCR didnt mean to wipe out civilians, unlike house.
Sure i didnt agree with the NCR paid mercs to try and provoke the mutants,

I accept the NCR isnt the glorious white knight, but its much better than house. Because for the most part it dosnt intentionally kill civilians for its own gain. Hosue in the mean while has the kings slaughtered if they work with NCR to help freeside. Or he will spare them, if they fight against trained soldiers who are better equipted than youre average lightly armed kings member. And he killed a few innocents pushing them out of their homes.

As opposed to the NCR, who who don't send ANYONE to protect people and still take taxes?
Oh and Primm, really a strong point for the NCR there, "why don't you help Primm" "They're not in our jurisdiction".
Lovely, if the land you sit on isn't theirs and being taxed, they don't give a [censored]. If it is, they still don't give much of a [censored] but if they start losing money they might send someone to take a look.

Yeah House taxes them, but he also protects them. It's the same with Goodsprings, assuming it's safe House sends a Victor securitron back there to protect it and also to keep an eye on it. Is that really bad? No, I mean if it's peeking in their windows and setting up spyware then yeah kinda, but just keeping an eye on them in exchange for a free war machine? [censored] yeah, I'd be watched 24/7 if I got a missile launching laser shooting, grenade firing, self repairing robot who talked like a cowboy! (Who wouldn't?!)


The Courier contract means any loss is YOUR fault and you must resecure the item. That's the contract, you don't get to lose it and just shrug and move on, if you lose the item your life is forfeit. House pays you what, triple? the original pay. You're complaining?


There's some option for debate but yeah I would have liked the opportunity to really go into it, from the devs point of view though that's ridiculously difficult. It's a shame, I like smart people and debating, t'would be fun to try and win the house over.


Not sure about the PC but when I had Veronica in BoS armour there were a lot of comments from Freesiders and NCR about how she'd better watch it and so on. Nothing from the Strip though, no one except NCR there cared.
The BoS approach was originally present, it was removed however (likely due to making House's perfect ending too good). It can be reinstated with a mod for PC since the dialogue etc was already in the GECK.
the thought of the BoS being capable hands for technology is pretty laughable, their idea of management is shooting people, their ideal for technology is whatever can kill the most. They're not good people, they're murderers, terrorists and technophilic tribals who don't do anything that isn't written in their precious codex.


He can reproduce it, he was the founder of RobCo, owner of REPConn, House is the only man we meet who has a semblance of a chance of giving more technology to the wasteland, if anyone can, he can. He makes it abundantly clear he's capable and thus far has entirely failed to deceive, lie or even attempt to manipulate. I believe he could start manufacturing new tech, I also think given his knowledge of the impossibly powerful RobCo he may already have the means (just not the inclination due to slightly bigger concerns...)



The NCR don't necessarily kill people, but they'll steal your land, your items, your money and just about everything in order to feed the juggernaut (or should it be giant gluttonous pig?) back home. The only reason the NCR are in the Mojave is for the dam, they want it to power their people. They kill the BoS, assault them on their land and kill them, because they want Helios One. Why? To help the world? No to give more power to McCarran and the Strip (and that only to try and re negotiate with House, laughable when he points out he has more than enough power already).
They're not good people, the guys on the ground are pretty ordinary, some are good, some are idealistic, many are there for the money, gambling, because they were bored or because they had no choice, the guys on top are revolting and in their republic they are the ones with control, absolute control.

Yes Man could go anyway, it may be a simple program to stop it taking orders.
But put it this way, where the hell is he getting the program from? Who would, in the Mojave, take the time to write a program which allows a securitron to be 'assertive'?
Only one man comes to mind, that's House, Yes Man could have written it itself, but there's no way of knowing, it seems extremely limited without direction being given.

Mr. House is the only good choice out of the four.

Yes Man is unpredictable who knows what's going to happen after you crush the NCR and the Legion.

With the NCR all they want New Vegas for is the land and for money reasons. They don't truly care about the Mojave. The 1st time I made it to Primm and I heard that NCR soldier talk and after his statement that it's outside of our jurisdiction that sealed my decision for me. If a group truly cares about other people then they would at least try to take the town back but nope the NCR are a bunch of lazy pricks.

Legion is a bunch of slavers who won't advance technology or make life better not to mention the way that they treat women. Marcus is right after Caesar dies things will get complicated for the Legion even if they take Hoover Dam.

Mr. House is easily the best option. The Brotherhood of Steel aren't the friendly paragon type from Fallout 3. The BOS in Mojave stupidly holds on to the old ways that they think that technology is bad and they will do what ever it takes to keep that technology out of peoples hands. Plus the BOS will attack New Vegas anyway no matter what group you side with even Yes Man eventually.

House will make everything better it might take 20 or 30 years but he eventually will get New Vegas back to it's prewar status. This is also the best situation for the NCR becuase then they realize that they need to worry about getting things right at home and it's also the best situation for the Legion but that will take time because they'll most likely have a civil war. After the Civil war the Legion will probably get divided into different tribes but they will probably treat their women better and the remments of the Legion will be better off.

People seem to ignore the fact that house kills the kings if they settle their diffrences with NCR and make a full scale releif effeort for the people of freeside. Thats a funny way of showing you care about new vegas. And he forces people who lived in the strip off their homes and killed a couple while moving them to free side.
I can get my head around the BoS being killed by house, but the kings and free side settlers. :verymad:

Sure the NCR isnt perfect, but the NCR is full of good people as well as bad. House is just one man, and from what i see, a man who is as heartless and as evil as ceaser

I hate the idea of House wrecking Freeside, but I see it as a counter insurgency policy. As is destroying the BOS. Everything House does is to ensure Vegas will last forever. He loves Vegas. That's the only thing that matters to him.

It's not really counter insurgency, it's more like government controlled terrorism, but the differences between the two are very thin. Freeside's claim to do whatever the hell they want is legitimate, and House has no business (no pun intended) in Freeside (or outside his casino for that matter). All he does is tell you what they might do to him, not what they have done to him.

The thing is, House can claim all he want, but he's an idiot, all he has is money. He has founded some successful businesses, so what, survival is not the same thing as running a business. Furthermore for any of his businesses to run, House requires pre-war resources, like oil, or uranium. They no longer exist, the Resource Wars and Great War exhausted what little was left, it was the whole point of these wars.

Also, the BOS wouldn't do anything to Vegas, only the Lucky 38, and I think some people may even help them (though the BOS would probably refuse their help or use them as cannon fodder). There's absolutely no reason to assume any of the casinos, Freeside or even the Followers would stand between the BOS and House. They'd probably hide in their indestructible (game engine issue, I know) buildings.

Oh, and about the contract, I must have missed a line. Maybe I left it at home. Or somebody stole it from me, I'll just go and report it to the Legion, I kinda like their idea of justice. I suppose I'll have to start looking somewhere, I bet it's someplace nice and warm, with lots of booze and easy women. I'll just go look for it in South Carolina. Lucky for me there's no deadline.

I think yes man meant that he wouldn't be just a Yes Man anymore, he would question any orders. Now that doesn't mean he won't become evil. To be honest I would rather him be more assertive simply because if he stayed his normal self then anyone could walk up to him and tell him what to do. being more assertive he can choose what he wants to do.

I've just finished walking up to the strip wearing BOS armor. As expected, the securitrons did nothing. The NCR troopers there were pretty funny though. Running away hiding like cowards, and as always when you wear BOS armor, they were also marked hostile. Needless to say, I slaughtered them and fore more fun, I decided to reload my game from before I entered the Strip and begin the assault on the Lucky 38, listening to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oxYJiVNzfc. Obviously I had Veronica as companion wearing normal T45 Power Armor (yet it still carries BOS markings on the shoulder). I had so much fun, I think a BOS ending may have been more satisfying than the other 4. Or maybe a BOS assault after a Yes Man ending.

Maybe an idea for the next game, allow us to create our own radio channel with music from our HD.

I like your style. What did MR house say :celebration:

So doing it to save your own life isn't good enough reason to kill them off?

I think it's funny people cry House is a bully, yet he does what anyone in the Wasteland does. Survive.

Ensured he would survive the War- Survival
Rebuilding the economic industries in Vegas to have Capital and influence- Survival
Has an army to defend his territory from invaders- Survival
Expanding his claim on land, and thus extending to those under his leadership his resources- Survival

People are mad because if he wins, he proves he's the bigger dog with the bigger bite and bark, and they seem to think 'corporations=evil' which is very juvenile and backwards thinking.

Nothing yet, I just decided to take a detour from my game so I made Hardin Elder, did his initiation quest (it was way more fun than McNamara's), got the training, put on BOS armor and decided to see how the securitrons would react. However I forgot my hall pass and my skill was too low to even begin the hacking game. But IMO the game world is still to static. Sure the Legion can take some locations, but that's it. It kinda bothers me, you help the BOS get back on their feet, but you still don't see any patrols, nor can you help them retake HELIOS (if you wipe out the NCR there, Legion takes it).

I'll start a proper assault in my regular game, and I may also begin another assault following the House line when he asks me to destroy the BOS. Obviously I will be wearing BOS armor during said conversation. The Lucky 38 would make a nice base, and taking it for the BOS would probably put me in a position strong enough to become the next elder. The casino's defensive lasers may be just what I need for some personal revenge directed towards Benny and the Tops, using it as my own immobile mini Death Star. I suppose the NCR troopers fleeing from me would be captured and traded for Power Armor, or if the NCR refuses they would be executed.

I'm now inclined to say, House (along with many others) suffers from bad writing, and the game not paying attention to some important faction related details. NV would be so much better if you could use any titles given to you by any of the factions/achievements/etc.

Hold on a second, House failed to deceive, lie or even attempt to manipulate? The first thing he tells the Courier is that he is special, and present him/her a presidential suite. He creating an illusion that the Courier is working with, not under, or far under him; just like how he allows NCR to "annex" the Strip. What about Courier 4? I doubt he is killed by escaped convicts right in front of the Mojave Express Office.


I highly doubt Benny have the ability to program a bug which can freely tap into House's network without him noticing when Emily's bug fail entirely. House is either aware of or created Yesman and use him to monitor Benny (since he knows a lot more inside the Tops than Gomorrah and Ultra Luxe). I would fully expect the "assertive" program is a backup of House himself.

Not all corporations are evil. House isnt really a corporation, he is one man with a ton of power, a dictator. And even if he was, i go against any corporation who will kill innocents so freely and easily as house. I bet if house thought that there was a 1 percent chance the followers of the apocalypse would go against him, he would send in the securitrons and wipe them out to the last man.

Like i have said before, house isnt a man anymore, he is a 600 year old thing surrounded by machines and the only contact he has through people, is through a heavily armoured securitron. And he has no one to tell him he is wrong. I think he is fooling you anyway. House goes "I care for the greater good and i care for new vegas and mankind" Then wipes out the kings who were helping new vegas and the greater good because they helped the NCR with a full relief effort for the people which was for the greater good and new vegas. Yeah... dont buy it

-Sigh- You REALLY love using Hyperbole in your arguments. If you're claim was true, House would be from the 1700s. House is 200-260ish years old.

Secondly, The Kings death is ENTIRELY optional, I am getting very tired of you using your options as the proven path of the game. Also, House doesn't go by suspicion, he goes by reason and logic. The FotA are not a hostile faction to anyone, which renders your arguement as nothing more than strawman arguements.