Seriously? You are talking about a game world where armor and weapons have not changed in anything but name for thousands of years.

One of the problems with that, however, is that the way the skill/perk system is currently arranged, you'd have to crawl through all of the various perk trees and buff several skills only to get one or two "useful" (RP-wise) spells/perks from each. That'd be tough to do under the current system ... I'd think. Thus the argument for a seperate school -- i.e., skill.

I've never been one to use a lot of, nor rely on, destruction spells, so I have a hard time commenting on that school in general. But like many, and involving a school I did use a lot in Oblivion, I'm disappointed in the small variety of summons spells. I think the missed an opportunity to create a seperate school for necromancy so that both it and conjuration could remain relatively robust with variety.

i think it could be woven into the current structure...conjuration could have swarm of bee's (maybe stupid example). destruction could have creeping mould (like a vampiric drain effect)....anyways having it as a seperate tree is no more drastic than having vampirism or lycanthropy be it's own perk tree.

It is easy to roleplay a Druid in this game

You just need to be selective with gear, spells and shouts.

Hey look, that guy is dressed in Fur armor, buffed himself with oaflesh, is using a spirit bow and did the animal allegiance shout.... I don't think I've ever seen him in any city either.

It could be woven into destruction well the nature elements anyways, similar to the spriggans swarm attack.
Any summoning should be tied in the conjuration.
It would add a little variety to the bare bones magic system.

Not only nature spells, TES series has a terrible lack of many others kind of magic. For example ( a very used one) Destruction, you have forst, fire, and bolt, where are gravity based spells? where are water , ground, air (as curious thing exist a shout based on air) , dark , holy, poison (naturish) , space, time spells? I know this isn't FF but , A little of variation is too bad?

If you think about it, quite a few shouts are sort of air-based. Elemental Fury, Clear Skies, Whirlwind Sprint, Storm Call, Unrelenting Force, and maybe even Throw Voice.

Well, many other rpg count lighting as air magic, where it is power from the sky... and yes, i really want to see more different elements than just fire frost lighting...

Especially air (wind) element i desire most~ it will be nice if a wind enchantment on weapon which ignore % of armor and makes longer weapon reach will be perfect...

Cyrodill used to be a jungle. Argument=invalid

Dude I completely agree with you, and don't let them discourage you. This is a perfectly valid point and it should have been included in all TES games!

Affecting the nature would be alteration.
And as other say class based spells will have some issues like no classes in the game, the spell effect in it self is interesting and Midas magic has something like it.

Of course I suppose waving you hand to heal yourself of fatal injuries or pulling a Palpatine and shooting lightning out of your hands is way more realistic. Face it, TES is a fantasy world (an illogical one at that), therefore arguments saying that something is illogical or unrealistic are not valid since chances are you can find something way more unrealistic already in the game.

The area to the west is all supposed to be a lush forest crammed chock full of vegetation, even tho Oblivion did not give us a very good look at how that place was described to be.

I think he wanted a thread where people provided arguments that made sense.

i agree, but this "system" needs variety.

Oh I agree the magic system is pathetic, I am always advocating it needs to be improved with all the old spell types and spell creation we add those back and magic would be great again.

So I pretty much agree with the disagreers but Im gonna try to back this guy.

I believe nature magic could fit into the lore but not as a school of its own. I believe nature spells could fit into the restoration school (since it is the school that has to do with life's energies). Technical wise it would work as by studying restoration you are able to not only just heal you can actually feel the energy of life (ie animals, plants, other people). Then using what you learned detect the plants and turn your magika into life energy to grow the plant at an exponential rate.

Now for the lore. Before man and mer were able to cast lightning and conjure deadra(sp?) They only had their what they could make with their own two hands, weapons and plants. Alchemist spent a great amount of time cultivating and working with plants. They discovered that by adding some of their magika into the plant they could make it move or add energy to cause it to grow faster. Unfortunately for the Nirn alchemists tend to be to secretive so only a select few would be taught their way to pass it down. Then destruction magic and the other schools began to spring up and captured much of the worlds attention and the ways of the druids/alchemists faded into the shadows of memory.

So you said the world could evolve, unless you were one of those "backwards" people?

Interesting

I have to agree with the OP somewhat as I was also disappointed at the lack of spells and effects available for role playing purposes. It's a shame there aren't more options for druidic style characters since TES's alchemy system is the best I've seen and together with better spells would make for a really interesting playthrough. And while TES does have it's own unique lore it wouldn't be too hard to shoehorn some of the more 'druidic' magics into the current system. Vines, spikes, small earth tremors, animal calling, and shapeshifting could all fit into destruction or alteration quite neatly I think.

unless the golems in daggerfall were atronaches (and im pretty sure they were not, im as sure as someone can get about something without being a fool [not much, tbh]) then there is no lore-evidence of some kind of nature element existing and no new schools will be added because there is alread a few redundancies among them and no mage would decided to make for no reason. although magick is researched and improved over time (although not evident in game, in fact, it is actually going backwards in skyrim since there is someone actually attempting to research proper invisibility and since we cannot even remember the old spells i highly doubt we can learn new ones) there is no atronach of a "nature" element (as far as known lore goes) so there is no "nature" element (again, as far as we know)

You know, this thread got me thinking. Why is there such little advancement in terms of knowledge and technology in the ES universe? You'd think that the turmoil following Oblivion and the fighting during the great war would have allowed for new weapons to develop or new tactics to be made. Hell, cannons are used by the Redgaurds but I haven't seen anyone else use them.

I gotta agree on some points, Nature spells, there are Kyne's peace and other spells like it, but you have to be more specific in what your looking for. (thorns aura? entangling roots?) And, Yes, Bethesda cut a lot of the things that I enjoyed most about TES and even more things that I can't bring myself to understand their reasoning. (See House chests problems) But skyrim has plenty of spells and I think they designed it to be less focused on Magick, seeing as the nords don't like it.

I liked cop out

Someone seems angry.

Arguably if anywhere the spells would fall under alteration. However there is no precedent in the Lore of someone manipulating nature and controlling vines to choke people out. Maybe an Alteration specialist could do it but it would be incredibly inefficient compared to other things they could use. The Alteration specialist could alter the vine to move as they want but it would not be because of any special connection to nature. It would be because they are an Alteration specialist.

Druidic type magic is not completely outside the Lore though it is kind of a stretch. There is a walking tree city in Valenwood and sentient Hist trees in Black Marsh. Something must be animating the city. Maybe that type of magic can be used on a smaller scale. However that would be a nightmare to animate properly as you cannot summon plants out of thin air. You would have to manipulate existing plants. The OP's best bet is to hope you can summon a Spriggan or something. Which would be kind of odd with the lore.

Besides if you are on PC maybe take a look at this? Maybe that will help. http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=3413

If you are not...oops. nanananabooboo stick your head in doodoo....jk lol.

I think this guy just wants to shoot green fireballs from his palm like he's playing WoW.