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» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:49 am

Still...he's the dragonborn so ain't going to happen but otherwise; true.

Maybe. It can be debated if Akatosh would save Dragonborn Vampires soul, and allow him to be reincarnated like everyone else. But that's a whole other debate.

Please, be nice to other members

Oh fine.

Hemadbro?

Hemad.

OK that was my last condescending post I swear.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:55 am

Is it that you can not accept the fact that your Dragonborn Vampire is going to get tortured for eternity?

Well my dragonborn vampire has pledged her soul to a lot of daedric princes, So I'm not sure where she will go when she dies.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:17 am

Oh fine.

Just saying. If others members are scorned for being "rude" to others, then the penalties should be fair for everyone. Be careful, friend.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:35 am

Sigh.. Molag Bals plane in Oblivion is dedicated, dedicated to enslaving, and torturing mortals. Whether he's evil or not by some peoples standards doesn't change the fact that you're in for an eternity of pain, and anguish if you get caught by him.

Do I really need to say anything else? Molag Bals main desire is to harvest the souls of mortals, and to bring them to his sway.

Source: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daedric_Princes

There is no reason at all why he wouldn't use a disease to capture as many "souls" as he can. The evidence that the souls of Vampires belongs to him, and WILL go to his plane in Oblivion if they die as they are is overwhelming.

I don't understand why you're so stubborn about this. Is it that you can not accept the fact that your Dragonborn Vampire is going to get tortured for eternity?

I do not accept this because lycanthropy and vamprism are two different things and bending one as a example doesn't make it so, and yes i know all about the daedric princes their my favorite subject on the game. Point being saying they work exactly the same just because their both came from daedric princes must mean that all things that come from similar beings must be the same what i don't understand is why your so fixated on assuming they both work the same in turns of afterlife. If you can provide some proof that has a credible source on what happens to vampires when they die then i will shut up about it if not then lets try to come at a in pass and agree to disagree.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:42 am

Well my dragonborn vampire has pledged her soul to a lot of daedric princes, So I'm not sure where she will go when she dies.

Yeah, you can do that, which is weird. Maybe they'll have an epic war over who gets your soul.

But my main has never made a permanent link with any of the daedric princes, except HIrcine, but putting a head on a pire and a few swings of the sword fixed that problem. HE's going to spend an eternity fighting against Hircine alongside Kodlak in order to save the other Harbingers.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:25 pm

Being Dragonborn only controls event during his life, it has no effect on his afterlife.

True. The Dragonborn is currently stacked on claims of his death, depending on how you play. He could potentially serve Nocturnal in the Twilight Sepulcher and the Evergloam. Hircine or Molag Bal (not both) could have him. Shor could have him in Sovngarde. I'm not sure how this is going to work out.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:31 am

True. The Dragonborn is currently stacked on claims of his death, depending on how you play. He could potentially serve Nocturnal in the Twilight Sepulcher and the Evergloam. Hircine or Molag Bal (not both) could have him. Shor could have him in Sovngarde. I'm not sure how this is going to work out.

Like I said before, I made no such promises with any of the Princes on my main. But Hircine probably hate me.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:37 pm

Well my dragonborn vampire has pledged her soul to a lot of daedric princes, So I'm not sure where she will go when she dies.

Stendarr's mercy is upon you for the vigilante have none to spare!

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:44 am

Like I said before, I made no such promises with any of the Princes on my main. But Hircine probably hate me.

I was just stating all the possible afterlives for the Dragonborn, not yours in particular.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:08 pm

As for Kodlak wishing to save the Harbingers from the Hunting Grounds, wouldn't it be wise to just save the souls that want to leave? Kodlak speaks of honoring the belief of others and he is admirable for not enforcing his belief that Lycanthropy is a curse on Aela and Skjor.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:33 pm

I was just stating all the possible afterlives for the Dragonborn, not yours in particular.

I know, I was simply just staing mine. I didn't mean anything by it.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:42 am

True. The Dragonborn is currently stacked on claims of his death, depending on how you play. He could potentially serve Nocturnal in the Twilight Sepulcher and the Evergloam.

This, in my opinion is one the worst fates available. I mean you have to spend an eternity guarding some ridiculously dark place?

Laaaaaame.

Also I can't see how that "literally being one with the shadows" excuse for it would make anyone feel better about the job.

I bet they're not even allowed to sit.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:58 am

As for Kodlak wishing to save the Harbingers from the Hunting Grounds, wouldn't it be wise to just save the souls that want to leave? Kodlak speaks of honoring the belief of others and he is admirable for not enforcing his belief that Lycanthropy is a curse on Aela and Skjor.

I know, but I truly do believe that atleast most other harbingers were pressuered into it by honor and tradition just like Kodlak was. I'm sure he will only fight to save those that want to be saved, but I don't think he'll have any problem fighting andy Harbingers that want to stop him. Any traditional nord wants to spend eternity in Sovngarde, and he will do what he can to make sure they will be able to.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:09 am

This, in my opinion is one the worst fates available. I mean you have to spend an eternity guarding some ridiculously dark place?

Laaaaaame. Also I can't see how that "literally being one with the shadows" excuse for it would make anyone feel better about that job.

I bet they're not even allowed to sit.

Well we only saw it when the Skeleton Key was out and all of the Nightingales had gone insane, I wonder what it's like when it's a full function. Could just be drinking mead with you fellow Nightingales for eternity

But I'd much rather be in the Hall of Valor feasting on Ox and chatting with Shor and Ysgrammor.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:26 am

Well we only saw it when the Skeleton Key was out and all of the Nightingales had gone insane, I wonder what it's like when it's a full function. Could just be drinking mead with you fellow Nightingales for eternity :smile:

But I'd much rather be in the Hall of Valor feasting on Ox and chatting with Shor and Ysgrammor.

I think I do remeber it saying that you would have to spend eternity guarding the place, even if it's at full glory.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:36 am

Guys, there is a bit of niggling going on and it is the second time I have been called to this thread. Let's cool it and see if it makes post limit. OK?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:59 am

I think I do remeber it saying that you would have to spend eternity guarding the place, even if it's at full glory.

Gallus was allowed to go on to the Evergloam and was released from Nocturnal when his service was paid. Still doesn't sound all to glorious.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:32 am

Guys, there is a bit of niggling going on and it is the second time I have been called to this thread. Let's cool it and see if it makes post limit. OK?

Agreed, we all need to calm down. And if it does reach limit, I don't think it should be remade.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:52 pm

Agreed, we all need to calm down. And if it does reach limit, I don't think it should be remade.

Agreed, In other news how does everyone think the "blood potions will work?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:53 pm

Gallus was allowed to go on to the Evergloam and was released from Nocturnal when his service was paid. Still doesn't sound all to glorious.

True, but what determines when your service is paid?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:57 pm

I'm pretty sure I will be declared God when I die. So I'll create my own piece of heaven.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:48 am

Well we only saw it when the Skeleton Key was out and all of the Nightingales had gone insane, I wonder what it's like when it's a full function. Could just be drinking mead with you fellow Nightingales for eternity

Yeah.. The same exact people for all eternity. That sure sounds fun..

Nightingale 1:"Hey guys. You remember that one time the Skeleton Key was stolen?"

Nightingale 2:"Yeah, that [censored] was crazy, right?"

Nightingale 3:"Haha! Yeah! What do you think #4, wasn't that crazy?"

Nightingale 4: "I HATE ALL OF YOU!"

But I'd much rather be in the Hall of Valor feasting on Ox and chatting with Shor and Ysgrammor.

Yeah, atleast with Sovengard you'll eventually reincarnate, and can start fresh in another life. When it comes to Daedric Princes you're stuck with them for eternity.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:57 am

I'm pretty sure I will be declared God when I die. So I'll create my own piece of heaven.

That's a bit self-righteous, don't you think?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:09 pm

True. The Dragonborn is currently stacked on claims of his death, depending on how you play. He could potentially serve Nocturnal in the Twilight Sepulcher and the Evergloam. Hircine or Molag Bal (not both) could have him. Shor could have him in Sovngarde. I'm not sure how this is going to work out.

I'm sure Akatosh has dibs on you, I mean you weren't allowed to harvest Alduin's soul because Akatosh intervened, so I'm sure the same happens to you.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:58 pm

True, but what determines when your service is paid?

I'm not quite sure. It could be timed, but maybe not, because Gallus only spent 25 years there, while the other Sentinels were there before him, but their contract may have gone void due to their insanity.